|
|||||||||||
|
|||||||||||
18 Sep 2007, 19:56 (Ref:2017336) | #26 | ||
Veteran
Join Date: Aug 2004
Posts: 14,699
|
I would rather run off on to a bit of tarmac than slam into a tyre wall, whats the matter with you guys?
|
||
__________________
You can't polish a turd but you sure can sprinkle it with glitter! |
18 Sep 2007, 21:26 (Ref:2017445) | #27 | ||
Veteran
Join Date: Nov 2006
Posts: 9,429
|
I used to spectate at Brands in the late 50s /60s and there was very seldom a meeting (cars and bikes) that went by without somebody being killed or seriously injured. It certainly dulled the enthusiasm of the massive (even at club meetings) crowds. I was a witness to the Chris Airey crash when it rolled on the bottom straight ,and it will live with me forever. As for seat fittings when I was doing the ICS series I remember a certain Camero having a fair shunt at Thruxton that broke the seat out of the floor that was fitted with "rivinuts" !
|
||
__________________
Balls of steel (knob of butter) They're Asking For Larkins. ( Proper beer) not you're Eurofizz crap. Hace más calor en España. Me han conocido a hablar un montón cojones! Send any cheques and cash to PO box 1 Lagos Nigeria Africa ! |
19 Sep 2007, 06:55 (Ref:2017612) | #28 | |||
Veteran
Join Date: Aug 2001
Posts: 5,676
|
Quote:
|
|||
|
19 Sep 2007, 07:12 (Ref:2017618) | #29 | ||
Veteran
Join Date: Sep 2006
Posts: 12,853
|
Me too,just because these run off areas are there,it does not mean there is less skill involved in keeping it between the lines.There are some kerbs that have to be used,not just at Spa,just to keep the momentum going.As long as all four do not cross them,then wheres the harm.There is not one driver out there who could claim that he has never used them,in some cases,they will actually help you stay on the tarmac.
|
||
__________________
Living the dream,Chief instruktor and racing on the worlds best circuits-The Nordschleife and Spa.Getting to drive the worlds best cars-someone has to do it, so glad its me. |
19 Sep 2007, 07:38 (Ref:2017634) | #30 | ||
Veteran
Join Date: Aug 2006
Posts: 510
|
Another safety issue is fire retardent underclothes - rarely checked in the UK. At the Oldtimers GP Nurburgring last year one of the FJ drivers was spotted by a marshall wearing a normal polo shirt under his race suit in assembly and had to change down to his underpants in (full view) to pull on some donated from a fellow competitor (new & unused). Just made the race by the skin of his teeth. Even with fire retardent underclothes you can still be burnt but not as badly or as quickly as without, or God forbid when wearing items of manmade fibres.
Last edited by LYNX; 19 Sep 2007 at 07:41. |
||
|
19 Sep 2007, 07:56 (Ref:2017643) | #31 | ||
Veteran
Join Date: Sep 2006
Posts: 12,853
|
Good point Lynx,it,s supprising the amount of drivers who do not use the prescribed underware,quite a stupid thing to do when you consider that Race Suits do still get hot in a fire,any man made fibres underneath will shrivel and melt and bond onto the skin.Far better not to have anything on,the burns will heal quicker without nylon embedded as well!!
|
||
__________________
Living the dream,Chief instruktor and racing on the worlds best circuits-The Nordschleife and Spa.Getting to drive the worlds best cars-someone has to do it, so glad its me. |
19 Sep 2007, 09:25 (Ref:2017719) | #32 | |||
Veteran
Join Date: Dec 2002
Posts: 3,362
|
Quote:
For run-off, there are places where gravel is good and there are places where tarmac is good. Sadly this is complicated because different types of accident can happen at the same place and would benefit from different sorts of protection. Add to that the complication that bikes benefit from different things from cars and you can appreciate the difficulty which circuits have in pleaseing everybody. Regards Jim |
|||
__________________
Life is not safe, just choose where you want to take the risks. |
19 Sep 2007, 09:28 (Ref:2017726) | #33 | |||
Veteran
Join Date: Dec 2002
Posts: 3,362
|
Quote:
Regards Jim |
|||
__________________
Life is not safe, just choose where you want to take the risks. |
19 Sep 2007, 10:10 (Ref:2017755) | #34 | ||
Veteran
Join Date: Apr 2006
Posts: 1,478
|
When I did my licence at the Silverstone race school one of the instructors told a story of a guy involved in a fire who had a tee-shirt on with a logo on it. It melted into his skin and he now has that logo scarred into his skin for life. I remember this every time I get changed and it makes me very conscious of what I'm wearing!
|
||
|
19 Sep 2007, 10:16 (Ref:2017759) | #35 | ||
Veteran
Join Date: Aug 2001
Posts: 5,676
|
hope they pay him sponsorship for carrying their logo....
|
||
|
19 Sep 2007, 12:47 (Ref:2017901) | #36 | ||
Veteran
Join Date: Aug 2006
Posts: 510
|
Please consider spectator safety! I cannot believe how many people walking around the paddock are oblivious of a race car moving to assembly behind them, this is worse at meetings such as Goodwood where you have non motor racing fans present, (My Elva 100 came with a horn). Also the danger of hot exhaust pipes on single seaters and children wanting to touch....!
|
||
|
19 Sep 2007, 12:51 (Ref:2017907) | #37 | |||
Veteran
Join Date: Jul 2002
Posts: 3,499
|
Perspective
Quote:
Therefore, I would argue your point about making a better spectacle...to me, sometimes just seeing the car on the track used in anger is reward enough. |
|||
__________________
The good old days sure seem like a long time ago!! |
20 Sep 2007, 01:36 (Ref:2018408) | #38 | |
Rookie
Join Date: Jan 2006
Posts: 28
|
I'm absolutly 100% in favor of making vintage/historic cars more safe. I can remember about 3 or 4 years ago my father and I were doing a historic enduro in his Chevron B16. Leading the race, he flipped the car, landed on its wheels and then got "T-Boned" at about 85-90 mph by a Jaguar E-Type Lightwt. When he first purchased the car, he had the smarts to weld in a bar from the roll-bar to the side pod "God forbid anything ever happened." Well something did happen and without a doubt, it saved his life. The car was totaled, but as we know racecars can be rebuilt, and it was. You cannot rebuild a life. Yes, I agree w/ everyones post's on here about racing being dangerous etc. but it's also 2007...we're not racing for money, just glory. Doing something for safety purposes won't de-value the car or ruin its orignality, but it will save your life, if something does ever happen. Just my two cents.
|
|
|
20 Sep 2007, 06:11 (Ref:2018474) | #39 | |||
Veteran
Join Date: Aug 2004
Posts: 14,699
|
Quote:
|
|||
__________________
You can't polish a turd but you sure can sprinkle it with glitter! |
20 Sep 2007, 08:19 (Ref:2018551) | #40 | ||
Veteran
Join Date: Sep 2006
Posts: 12,853
|
I think we can only go so far as regards safty in the paddock Lynx,after all,are children not the responsibility of their parents?.Also,one thing that must be enforced is the stopping of these kid,s flying about on scooters/pit bike,s,they are a bigger liability than drivers going to/from collecting areas etc. It is always mentioned on Race Entry Form,s,but would appear to be largly ingnored,I dont care that "They are Bored",if that is the case ,then leave them at home.The respective parents should be threatened with exclusion from the event,perhaps that would make them take notice!
|
||
__________________
Living the dream,Chief instruktor and racing on the worlds best circuits-The Nordschleife and Spa.Getting to drive the worlds best cars-someone has to do it, so glad its me. |
20 Sep 2007, 12:37 (Ref:2018870) | #41 | |||
Veteran
Join Date: Jan 2005
Posts: 2,621
|
Quote:
|
|||
__________________
The older I get, the better I used to be ! |
20 Sep 2007, 13:03 (Ref:2018889) | #42 | |
Veteran
Join Date: Feb 2007
Posts: 1,056
|
Is there underwear so we don't scare the kids?
|
|
__________________
Gregor Marshall |
21 Sep 2007, 07:01 (Ref:2019480) | #43 | ||
Veteran
Join Date: Jul 2003
Posts: 6,828
|
I suspect the logo-ed for life story is an urban myth but if it keeps Eddy & I in a job, who are we to complain ;-) What story can we start next Eddy? Racesuits should never be washed and must be changed every six months to retain their fireproofness?
But joking aside, there's been some developments lately that mean there's some seriously protective stuff out there, once again it's down to the cost/risk ratio. Take CarbonX for instance, it's got some seriously good claims, very impressive performance, but it's a touch expensive. |
||
__________________
Midgetman - known as Max Tyler to the world. MaxAttaq! |
21 Sep 2007, 07:23 (Ref:2019493) | #44 | ||
Veteran
Join Date: Sep 2006
Posts: 12,853
|
And not very comfortable! The seam,s tend to be a bit on the rough side.But as you say,it,s very good protection.
|
||
__________________
Living the dream,Chief instruktor and racing on the worlds best circuits-The Nordschleife and Spa.Getting to drive the worlds best cars-someone has to do it, so glad its me. |
21 Sep 2007, 15:15 (Ref:2019760) | #45 | ||
Veteran
Join Date: Jan 2005
Posts: 2,621
|
Seams? Rough? You weren't wearing them inside out, were you?
|
||
__________________
The older I get, the better I used to be ! |
21 Sep 2007, 18:30 (Ref:2019961) | #46 | |||
Veteran
Join Date: Sep 2006
Posts: 12,853
|
Quote:
|
|||
__________________
Living the dream,Chief instruktor and racing on the worlds best circuits-The Nordschleife and Spa.Getting to drive the worlds best cars-someone has to do it, so glad its me. |
21 Sep 2007, 19:03 (Ref:2019993) | #47 | |
Veteran
Join Date: Feb 2007
Posts: 1,056
|
What suit would you guys recommend as a basic FIA requirement at a reasonable cost? Unfortunately Mr Neal seems to have a smaller bottom than I and I need to buy a new suit over the winter.
|
|
__________________
Gregor Marshall |
21 Sep 2007, 19:44 (Ref:2020021) | #48 | ||
Veteran
Join Date: Jul 2003
Posts: 6,828
|
Eddy & I would recommend AWS as we're both dealers of theirs ;-) Plus it helps the balance of payments to buy British, don't you know old chap?
Equally it depends on your shape. Sometimes the Italian suits aren't that comfortable for the fuller "UK" figure, and the legs are often a bit short for us taller chaps. AWS has just had a re-vamp of its sizes to take into account the changing shape of UK drivers. Italian suits tend to be cheaper, mass-produced in the far East or far South to a price. However, the FIA logo is a guarantee of quality and it's down to personal preference of fit etc. Natch, normally the more you pay the better protection you get but that's not a cast-iron rule. |
||
__________________
Midgetman - known as Max Tyler to the world. MaxAttaq! |
21 Sep 2007, 19:52 (Ref:2020028) | #49 | ||
Veteran
Join Date: Jan 2005
Posts: 2,621
|
Agree with that completely Max. Go for AWS.
Who is going to sell it? Seriously, depends on your own choice. Some drivers will go for the posh ones like the one using the star logo, but those suits are usually overpriced and never or hardly made to measure is available. The Italian ones are not too bad, but everybody wears one. I always say the following: like your food, buy local. Ok Nick, how much did I earn just now? |
||
__________________
The older I get, the better I used to be ! |
21 Sep 2007, 20:07 (Ref:2020047) | #50 | ||
Veteran
Join Date: Feb 2007
Posts: 1,056
|
Quote:
|
||
__________________
Gregor Marshall |
|
|
Similar Threads | ||||
Thread | Thread Starter | Forum | Replies | Last Post |
A1 GP Safety issues? Brands Hatch is Quick | freud | A1GP | 7 | 22 Sep 2005 12:15 |
Safety car issues (Silverstone) | ss_collins | Sportscar & GT Racing | 44 | 20 Aug 2005 15:53 |
Safety Issues at Pukomoke | vatuloa | Australasian Touring Cars. | 16 | 8 Nov 2003 21:17 |
tech issues | canadianfan | Formula One | 1 | 17 Apr 2001 09:58 |
Safety Issues | KC | NASCAR & Stock Car Racing | 8 | 22 May 2000 00:44 |