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It would be interesting to see who now has ownership. I believe Stallings does now, not sure who else??
Really, I wonder why he'd want to get involved in management of the series and also why would the Frances want anyone else on board.........can't be for money you'd assume? |
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[QUOTE=Mirage M6] Daytona![/B]---involves discussing THE FRANCE FAMILY AND EVERYTHING THEY CONTROL! PERIOD
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And drivers are always the most level-headed, well-informed bunch. lol
Maybe not, but they are the ones on track, they are the ones on the receiving end of any arbitrary organizer *spirit of the games* decisions. I seem to recall Mr. Home Depot's driver being very vocal about the Nascar www of wrestling stance. And I am not inventing this am I. It seems the people who are most vocal in their declaration that ALMS is wanting the end of GA, are GA defenders themselves, and not the fans of both. Each series has its own followers and each do so for their own reasons. Look how Nascar with GA has repeatedly tried to sway Nascar fans to watch GA............without success. I've been at Daytona when the Paul Revere has been run...............packed stands for the Nascar qualifying................within half an hour or so of the GA race started, most had drifted away. What does this prove? Each series no matter what that may be, has its followers...........some may cross over to other series, many will not. So accept that GA runs a manipulated, lower tech series than does ALMS.........and be happy! |
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That was my intent when I asked the question. It was really stupid of me to do so as I completely ignored the France family involvements. I sure didn't want to steer trouble. I was really surprised to hear that the IMSA weren't allow to run a 24 hours race if they wanted to keep the Le Mans name in the series title. I may be light years behind you guys regarding your knowledge of endurance racing and I apologize for that. I guess I'm learning more than provide any useful questions. Daniel |
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IMSA could probably reach an agreement with the ACO to run their own 24 hour race, maybe it could be IMSA would have to accept entries from the LMS too...
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If for some reason the Daytona 24 became available for IMSA/ALMS, I am sure that the ACO would allow them to run the event, even though we all know it isn't going to happen.
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If the IMSA was fortunate and got Daytona back on its schedule, road racing would regain a LARGE portion of that which it lost in the past fifteen years.
What the show consisted of (rule) would become far more important, as failure would not be an option. Sadly it would still not be a miracle cure unless the person running, at least the Daytona race had the showmanship that John Bishop used to have. bob |
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If there hadn't been a history of a 24-hour race at Daytona before Grand-Am then I imagine people would be even more derisive of the race today, and one would be burned at the stake for suggesting that ALMS cars sully themselves by setting wheel on a roval.
No, I don't think that observation is going off-topic, but putting a different perspective on the original question. So there's a series putting on a 24-hour race in the US, but absent its history what is the attraction in having ACO cars participate in it exactly? |
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(similar to NASCAR's lucky dog rule http://nascar.about.com/b/2006/07/31...-explained.htm) Grand-Am will be initiating the Second Chance (yet to be sponsored) rule wherein the highest placed lapped car at the time of the wave by at the end of a full course caution will be waved by the overall race leader and get a lap back. This will be used in both the Rolex Series and the KONI Challenge Series races. http://www.grand-am.com/CONTENT/Docs...tin_200703.pdf |
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Rather than encouraging the best, inovative, technology, in the mold of IMSA GTP, top level US sportscar racing would have been dumbed down, glorified spec racing. That period has past, ALMS is stronger than ever, and GA is a good (racing wise) national series that has a solid market share. IMO, the more road racing in the US the better, hopefully it strengthens the viability of the sport as a whole. That being said, I do resent the fact Daytona and Watkins Glen are now no go's for the ALMS. It's tradegy these great circuits don't have ALMS cars gracing them. When I see pictures of the Jaguar XJR-14 or Nissan GTP's battling at Watkins Glen, it makes me think what could have been! Last edited by JAG; 6 Jan 2008 at 23:26. |
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7 Jan 2008, 02:32 (Ref:2100991) | #44 | |
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Rather than encouraging the best, inovative, technology, in the mold of IMSA GTP, top level US sportscar racing would have been dumbed down, glorified spec racing.
That period has past, ALMS is stronger than ever, and GA is a good (racing wise) national series that has a solid market share. IMO, the more road racing in the US the better, hopefully it strengthens the viability of the sport as a whole. Exactly. ALMS represents a high tech series with plenty of scope for innovation. GA represents a low tech series with any scope for innovation quickly scuppered by GA. That said, both series has their fanbase who are exactly that because it's what they like..............simple to understand and not a lot of point either side trying to drag it into a *we are better than you* contest..........the attendance facts speak for themselves. |
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I always promis myself not to post in these kinds of threads but I still hope to reach someone. Each series has it's merits (I prefer ALMS) and I enjoy both for what they offer. Simple as that. If you like one and not the other, fine. Why threads started for entirely different reasons turn to comparison matches escapes me. I don't think one series hurts the other. Rather, I think they help each other as newbies to road racing (sportscars in particular), turned on by whichever of the two, usually are happy to discover that they can see more of it when they find out about the other series...and that the differences of the two series offers some variety to boot... 'Been the case with many newbies to the sport that I've met anyhow. Me, I've been a fan since the 60s and don't feel the need to shoot opposing series down...I either enjoy them or ignore...again, that simple.
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G-A began in 2002 with DPs. The rules were to be on a five year cycle which has just concluded. The only changes being entry of different engine manufacturers. There are updated chassis designs this year and these chassis combined with the '08 spec tire by Pirelli are what have contributed to many cars testing this past weekend and producing lap time more than one second faster than the '07 pole time. Some leeway has also been granted in the car's appearance/aero but it is not always obvious. |
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