Ian Dawsons Radical LMP1 V10 Diesel for Sebring - Page 2

prototype · 28 Feb 2008, 01:59 (Ref:2139802)

[QUOTE=isynge]I was struck in the DSC report that Dawson's got a second chassis on the way.

Whether this ends up being a spare, a development machine, or a second race car, the one thing it does indicate is the level of seriousness of this effort.[QUOTE]

I took something totally different from that article. I took the chassis on the way to be a new an upgraded "replacement chassis" for the current Radical.

Hugewally · 28 Feb 2008, 02:24 (Ref:2139810)

Spares are always cheaper when bought as a complete car...

Jonerz · 28 Feb 2008, 03:04 (Ref:2139830)

Competitive or not it's another car. Not everyone in the P1 class mind you is Audi and Peugeot. Adds another element to the racing. (Which I will be enjoying after missing last year, WITH my Dad, my good buddy Eric and his family.... gosh it's so close I can almost taste my dinner at the Blue Crab.)

Chris

JHamilton · 28 Feb 2008, 03:46 (Ref:2139847)

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Originally Posted by zac510

The rainbow looks a little bit... camp?

lol @ the rainbow on an "eco friendly" car. Best of luck to them.

The Real DMN · 28 Feb 2008, 06:16 (Ref:2139879)

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Originally Posted by KA

no great surprises, I don't see much obvious difference to the SR9- compare the Bruichladdich car
http://www.endurance-info.com/2007_L...urburgring.jpg

Probably a sensible move, sticking with a known quantity for the chassis

I thought Radical tested a new Audi R10 style nose last year? Does anyone know if they've done any more development work on the car?

ascarracinguk · 28 Feb 2008, 06:42 (Ref:2139885)

interesting. im not sure on the paint job though, it looks like hes being sponsored by gay pride!....and im sure i can think of some sexual inuendo about there being a rainbow on thepointy thing at teh front LOL

Justin Moran · 28 Feb 2008, 06:56 (Ref:2139891)

Im sure the rainbow design will go down well with the ladies in comfortable shoes!

Aside from the paint job, nice looking car but where are the rear brake ducts? I presume they are in the sides now?

templer · 28 Feb 2008, 07:33 (Ref:2139903)

I think the pictures shows only a painted hull for livery presentation. The lamps are not mounted, I can see only one opening for the engine intake with no restrictor ( LMP1 have all two), there are no inlets for the turbos ( scoops, naca-ducts or something else) and I can't see any working on the larger coolers necessary for the diesel engine.
This is only a standard LMP2-hull.

Zytek_Fan · 28 Feb 2008, 07:36 (Ref:2139905)

If the Race Touareg T2 is any indication, it's going to sound REALLY bad.

Simon Speichert · 28 Feb 2008, 07:56 (Ref:2139916)

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Originally Posted by Zytek_Fan

If the Race Touareg T2 is any indication, it's going to sound REALLY bad.

So much for the era of the silent diesels. Maybe the JCB sponsorship from the Barwell car would be better suited to the Radical!

isynge · 28 Feb 2008, 09:22 (Ref:2139964)

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Originally Posted by prototype

Quote:

Originally Posted by isynge

I was struck in the DSC report that Dawson's got a second chassis on the way.

Whether this ends up being a spare, a development machine, or a second race car, the one thing it does indicate is the level of seriousness of this effort.

I took something totally different from that article. I took the chassis on the way to be a new an upgraded "replacement chassis" for the current Radical.

More extensive report on DSC seems to show there'll be one car based in the US running ALMS events, and one in the UK doing development and running in the LMS when possible.

So - pretty serious effort indeed.

knighty · 28 Feb 2008, 10:25 (Ref:2140000)

I must say, hats off to Ian for pulling this deal off, looks like D1 and this eco homes mob are a very serious effort......a 3 year deal with 2 cars is quite serious indeed.

interesting Ian quotes the engine with 610bhp and 1100Nm, which is exactly what it had in the CAT days of 2005, he also mentions the benefit of using a production based engine, but I'm sure he realises those openings are only for the GT1 originated V12 aston, LS7 and the Ferrari V12, I dont know of any other openings for production based engines....or am I wrong?

the V10 VW 5.0 diesel is only a 2 valve per cylinder motor, so if the ACO like the sound of the ECO project I think they should create a clause for Ians team to open up the restrictors a tad, as 610 bhp just will not compete with the 650bhp Judds, 680bhp Astons, and 740bhp diesels form Audi and Pug.

isynge · 28 Feb 2008, 10:43 (Ref:2140011)

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Originally Posted by knighty

I must say, hats off to Ian for pulling this deal off, looks like D1 and this eco homes mob are a very serious effort......a 3 year deal with 2 cars is quite serious indeed.

interesting Ian quotes the engine with 610bhp and 1100Nm, which is exactly what it had in the CAT days of 2005, he also mentions the benefit of using a production based engine, but I'm sure he realises those openings are only for the GT1 originated V12 aston, LS7 and the Ferrari V12, I dont know of any other openings for production based engines....or am I wrong?

the V10 VW 5.0 diesel is only a 2 valve per cylinder motor, so if the ACO like the sound of the ECO project I think they should create a clause for Ians team to open up the restrictors a tad, as 610 bhp just will not compete with the 650bhp Judds, 680bhp Astons, and 740bhp diesels form Audi and Pug.

One of my immediate thoughts revolved around whether the Touareg based engine was a "production based" one and thus qualified for the bigger restrictor. As it's not an avowed VW product I wondered if it would get through on this level, then my reading of the 2008 tech regs seemed to rule it out, as Knighty says, because it's not a GT1 derived engine.

I can see logic in encouraging people to use stock blocks but really not sure if it's offered right now.

Hammerdown · 28 Feb 2008, 13:09 (Ref:2140090)

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Originally Posted by knighty

610 bhp just will not compete with the 650bhp Judds, 680bhp Astons, and 740bhp diesels form Audi and Pug.

Although the torque should be enough to see the petrols off in a straight line, but then again the quoted target weight was rather high, so maybe not. Will be an interesting one to watch and good luck to 'em.

Hammerdown · 28 Feb 2008, 13:58 (Ref:2140107)

Autosport print says that some of the bodywork is made from 100% recycleable hemp! What was that no-smoking rule again? Also, they want to be the cleanest, not necessarily the fastest. Interesting.

JAG · 28 Feb 2008, 17:56 (Ref:2140242)

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Originally Posted by isynge

One of my immediate thoughts revolved around whether the Touareg based engine was a "production based" one and thus qualified for the bigger restrictor. As it's not an avowed VW product I wondered if it would get through on this level, then my reading of the 2008 tech regs seemed to rule it out, as Knighty says, because it's not a GT1 derived engine.

I can see logic in encouraging people to use stock blocks but really not sure if it's offered right now.

From DSC:-

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We didn’t know that the ACO was going to introduce the larger restrictors for production-based engines,” explains Ian Dawson. “Aston Martin probably knew, but we didn’t until that information was officially announced. We were exploring the idea of acquiring two Radical SR9s anyway, but the ‘larger restrictors for road-based engines’ concept, a very good one from the ACO, galvanized us into making this happen – probably a little sooner than we would have chosen.”

It looks like production based engines, GT1 heritage or not, are eligable for the bigger restrictor.

They'll have 610bhp and 1100Nm, and be able to run 70 minute stints.

The old Lola could run 61 second laps at Snetterton, the Lola Aston Martin has been running 55 second laps, which is VERY quick.

An improved engine, and much improved chassis, could see them down in the 58's, running 10 minute longer stints.

The Judd/AER's should be around 675bhp, Aston Martin 695bhp, Peugeot/Audi 720bhp.

This VW V10 has also ran two Dakars since the last outing for the Lola diesel, so it's competition durability has been proven, albeit running with less power.

Dead-Eye · 28 Feb 2008, 18:35 (Ref:2140254)

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Originally Posted by JAG

This VW V10 has also ran two Dakars since the last outing for the Lola diesel, so it's competition durability has been proven, albeit running with less power.

In what? I wasn't aware that there was anything with a VW V10 running the Dakar.

Justin Moran · 28 Feb 2008, 18:53 (Ref:2140258)

Only in a fleet of Race prepped Touaregs! Although I dont think they have ever won it they do lead for quite a while and are very quick over the ground!

Dead-Eye · 28 Feb 2008, 18:56 (Ref:2140259)

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Originally Posted by C9/89

Only in a fleet of Race prepped Touaregs! Although I dont think they have ever won it they do lead for quite a while and are very quick over the ground!

No. The Race Touaregs have 5 cylinder 2,5 litre engines. I don't know how much those have in common with the V10 though...

bigsi · 28 Feb 2008, 21:10 (Ref:2140351)

gents
Thanks for all of your good wishes.
The hole team is looking forward to Sebring and a lot more to come.

Just a few quick answers for a couple of your questions

2 cars fully developed to LMP1 and updated
3 complete new engines not the old ones and sorry no Touerags minus engines.

The idea is 3 year plan and would love to do Le Mans next year we tried to get 2 cars in this year but no joy.
Little bit busy at the moment so please excuse if I am not around all the time.

Zurbert82 · 28 Feb 2008, 21:29 (Ref:2140370)

Welcome to Ten-Tenths! We're all looking forward to this entry. Will you be running the full ALMS season?

bigsi · 28 Feb 2008, 21:34 (Ref:2140372)

We hope to bring both cars to the ALMS as we see this as a better source for sponsorship.

The ALMS is very well supported and we would like to do the full series but this deppends on the funding/team

We would most probably do the silverstone race aswell.

Hammerdown · 28 Feb 2008, 21:37 (Ref:2140377)

Will be most interested to read about all the tech stuff. Which bits of the car are hemp? Is it used like carbon as a reinforcing fibre?

bigsi · 28 Feb 2008, 21:43 (Ref:2140383)

Part of the body work is Hemp.
The ethos behind the car is to go as green as possible but still competitive.

We are talking to solar panel and wind turbine manufacturers aswell!!

I would have loved to have done Le Mans but now our direction has changed to at least 4 of the ALMS races and would like to do the complete series.

jhansen · 28 Feb 2008, 21:46 (Ref:2140386)

Excellent news and welcome to Ten Tenths!

What transmission will you be running?

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