Queensland Events Secured Til 2016

[peckstar]

Originally Posted by Oldtony

Our "Elected representatives" are at present running for cover from attacks by the local branch of the Murdoch Press. The State Government has refused to contribute to restoration of the beaches, which bring us tourist income all year round and are under attack.
The local "Elected representatives" are only informed about the likelihood of their own re-election. And there are a lot of people locally who think this is more about seats in S and SW Brisbane than seats on the Coast that they take for granted.

oih dear the big bad murdoch press. the boogie man is coming. Murdoch runs the world. I'm so scared

let me tell you im coming to the Gold coast latter this year. Wasnt aware it even had a beach, thats not the reason im coming

[Reload]

Originally Posted by peckstar

oih dear the big bad murdoch press. the boogie man is coming. Murdoch runs the world. I'm so scared

let me tell you im coming to the Gold coast latter this year. Wasnt aware it even had a beach, thats not the reason im coming

You didn't know that the Gold Coast has a beach ? Peck, you really need to get out more.

[Mixer]

Originally Posted by Oldtony

The local "Elected representatives" are only informed about the likelihood of their own re-election. And there are a lot of people locally who think this is more about seats in S and SW Brisbane than seats on the Coast that they take for granted.

I hate to break it to you but this is true of all "elected representatives", local, state and federal...

I like the original latin translation for Politics.

poli = many
tics = bloody sucking creatures

I rest my case.

[Average Punter]

Originally Posted by GTRMagic

I reckon its awesome that the sport has managed to eke out business partnerships with the various governments, to inject money into providing otherwise unavailable events like Townsville, like Gold Coast Indy, like Homebush.

From a motorsport perspective, its great the money isnt going to AFL or NRL or FFA or any other sport...

Is that unavailable?

Or unviable?

[Mixer]

Originally Posted by Average Punter

Is that unavailable?

Townsville is an interesting example because the facilities built with Govt funding ARE used year round, and the tourism certainly helps the region.

[GTRMagic]

Originally Posted by Average Punter

Is that unavailable?

Or unviable?

Without the government money, these events are unavailable. Nobody would put money up to a loss making venture forever..

Governments however need to look at the macro picture, of the tourism and economic benefits to the locations where the motor racing events happen, across the long term.

[FAS33]

apparently the V8's brought $32 Mil to the Local Economy for the Townsville 400, much higher than what they first predicted.

[hdt05]

DRT - the Sydney event (in your eyes) may not achieve objectives. I, however enjoy going every year. I bring my and the group I go with's money down each and spend it in Sydney which we will continue to do for as long as the race is held and I can afford it.

[rik]

Originally Posted by GTRMagic

Any charges laid yet? Any convictions? No? Amazing...

They haven't managed to charge or convict Obeid, McDonald or anyone else over the mining lease rorts, so zero chance of anything to do with Homebush. V8Supercars main worry will be the withdrawal of funding.

[rik]

Originally Posted by FAS33

HA! where's all the Doomsayers now? busy eating some humble pie me thinks

Not doomsaying, but who's gonna make up the $2m shortfall???

Cost cutting on infrastructure no doubt will happen, but how much will the teams/Archer have to cop in lost revenue or additional expenses?

[D.R.T.]

Originally Posted by hdt05

DRT - the Sydney event (in your eyes) may not achieve objectives. I, however enjoy going every year. I bring my and the group I go with's money down each and spend it in Sydney which we will continue to do for as long as the race is held and I can afford it.

Not only in my eyes. The event from year 1 never has the KPI's in terms of attendance, interstate visitors, economic impact that were put forward as part of the proposal.

With this in mind, why would and should the government back the race?

[Tourer]

Originally Posted by D.R.T.

Not only in my eyes. The event from year 1 never has the KPI's in terms of attendance, interstate visitors, economic impact that were put forward as part of the proposal.

With this in mind, why would and should the government back the race?

Why not? Let's just say for now that you're right - it may not have met the KPIs you refer to but if it has still generated results in those areas and it could still be suitable for govt investment - just at a potentially lower level than the current deal. There are plenty of events that generate no measurable KPIs and the govt still invest in them - guess we'll find out soon enough.

DRT, I've seen your posts in the Indycar section and you constantly demand that posters back up any claims they make in terms of falling attendance etc with published facts. Maybe you'd like to do that in this instance and provide us with links to the original KPIs and what the outcomes have been in those areas?

[D.R.T.]

Originally Posted by Tourer

Why not? Let's just say for now that you're right - it may not have met the KPIs you refer to but if it has still generated results in those areas and it could still be suitable for govt investment - just at a potentially lower level than the current deal.

A lower level? V8SA were asking for an increase following last years event as they were losing over $2million a year on the event.

Originally Posted by Tourer

DRT, I've seen your posts in the Indycar section and you constantly demand that posters back up any claims they make in terms of falling attendance etc with published facts. Maybe you'd like to do that in this instance and provide us with links to the original KPIs and what the outcomes have been in those areas?

Fair play with the reference of sources and I would encourage you to get in on the chat in the Indycar forum.I am running out the door now however have located the below source which references the 2010 Auditor General report into the event - which I'll link for you tonight or tomorrow morning.

For now have a look at this from v8xmagazine
http://www.v8xmagazine.com.au/index....potlight-again

Originally Posted by Tourer

Kaye is calling for the event to be moved to the recently redeveloped Eastern Creek; pushing the Liberal government to consider the switch with a motion he will introduce into the Senate in the new year.

"The NSW Auditor-General's 2010 report hammered the lack of value for money and Labor's flawed negotiations tactics involved in the V8s Supercars contract," he says.

Despite another massive promotion push from V8 Supercars in the Sydney market, the 2011 Sydney Telstra 500 weekend crowd of 172,267 was down on last season's 180,000 and the first year's 184,000.

[Woolley]

May I respectfully suggest that since this thread is about the continued support for events in Queensland, discussion of Sydney is off topic? I know I'm a Pom, but my geography is good enough to know that's in a different state.

Thank you.

[eduardo1]

Originally Posted by rik

They haven't managed to charge or convict Obeid, McDonald or anyone else over the mining lease rorts, so zero chance of anything to do with Homebush. V8Supercars main worry will be the withdrawal of funding.

Yes, but ICAC isn't finished yet. MacDonald was back before them yesterday.

Unfortunately V8SC is forever linked with MacDonald and that stain is not one that's easily or quickly removed.

I'm glad the Townsville & GC races are saved - they made sense economically.

But I can say that as someone who doesn't pay rates/taxes in Qld. Those who do like OldTony have far more right to comment on its viability than we do, so perhaps a little bit more respect could be shown.

Oh, and by the way peckstar - re: the 'big bad Murdoch press' - the main reason Homebush ever got over the line (other than the secret payments to MacDonald) was John Hartigan and Kerry Stokes personally lobbied the premier at the time after Tourism NSW knocked back the proposal. And that's in a 2-paper major city.

SE Qld only has Murdoch daily papers - no Fairfax - so has far more influence than in NSW.

[GTRMagic]

If/when V8Supercar signs a new deal for renewal with the NSW Government, anything to do with Ian McDonald and any alleged goings on will become irrelevant.

And I agree with Woolley, NSW should have its own thread

[Langers]

Originally Posted by D.R.T.

HDT05 - as for the Homebush event, lets hope not. That event has been even more of a flop against its pre event objectives than the Gold Coast.

I cannot understand why it has been a flop, unless the KPIs against which success are being measured are too ambitious. As an event attendee on multiple occasions, my opinion is that it is the best motorsport venue I have been to, including the GP. The infrastructure is worlds ahead of what we have at Wakefield and Eastern Creek (and formerly at Oran Park and Amaroo), there are non-car related activities for family members of all ages, and the event is accessible by public transport from nearly every corner of Sydney, which is far more than can be said for EC / SMP. Plus the place doesn’t reek of garbage.

I’m not surprised attendance figures were slightly down last year as it was diabolically hot, which personally kept me away despite having spent the money on a top grandstand ticket. Not exactly the organisers’ fault that extraordinary weather occurs on that day (as it did with the rain a few years earlier).