FIA GT Race FIA GT Rnd 8: Istanbul 2005 - Page 2

**FIRE** · 18 Sep 2005, 09:58 (Ref:1410278)

1. Vitaphone Maserati (Babini)
2. Vitaphone Maserati (Scheider)
3. GLPK-Carsport Corvette (Hezemans)
4. JMB Maserati (Peter)

**FIRE** · 18 Sep 2005, 09:59 (Ref:1410279)

Konrad Saleen (Ruberti) has a problem. Out of race?

**FIRE** · 18 Sep 2005, 09:59 (Ref:1410280)

It's very close racing.

**FIRE** · 18 Sep 2005, 10:05 (Ref:1410284)

Heavy crash for Konrad Saleen.

**FIRE** · 18 Sep 2005, 10:08 (Ref:1410286)

- Safety car because of crash Saleen
- Lister has lost it's engine cover

falcons707 · 18 Sep 2005, 10:17 (Ref:1410294)

i can only get audio on eurosport.com is there some way to get live video online..please post link thanks

19dodge · 18 Sep 2005, 10:29 (Ref:1410300)

video isnt working. I was very very upset about it, but now to only hear of the tragic news coming out of Wales, i think twice.. wow,,

falcons707 · 18 Sep 2005, 10:31 (Ref:1410302)

what news????/

19dodge · 18 Sep 2005, 10:33 (Ref:1410303)

Michael Park , co-driver of Markko Martin has been killed on a stage today, after hitting a tree. i am speachless.. i follow WRC almost as much as sportscar racing....

falcons707 · 18 Sep 2005, 10:34 (Ref:1410305)

Very bad news i pray for the family...

**FIRE** · 18 Sep 2005, 10:46 (Ref:1410314)

SALEEN S7R · 18 Sep 2005, 11:05 (Ref:1410327)

Bad News indeed. Back to the race though, what does everyone think of the new 2 hour format? Personally I quite like it, as the commentators have been saying there is now more opportunity to have creative strategies now thanks to 2 hour races rather than 3 hours, and of course theres a much better chance of live TV coverage now with Eurosport following this change.

**FIRE** · 18 Sep 2005, 11:08 (Ref:1410329)

Mixed feeling about the 2 hour format.

Nordic · 18 Sep 2005, 11:11 (Ref:1410330)

Quote:

Originally Posted by SALEEN S7R

more opportunity to have creative strategies now thanks to 2 hour races rather than 3 hours, .

There is in fact an hour less to have creative strategies.

The track looks deserted, where are the crowd?

SALEEN S7R · 18 Sep 2005, 11:22 (Ref:1410338)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nordic

There is in fact an hour less to have creative strategies.

The track looks deserted, where are the crowd?

No, because now the teams can choose whether or not they want to change tyres, with a 2 hour format they can double stint abd if they want to gamble and put in less fuel for the first stint and fuel the car heavy for the 2nd, or indeed whether or not the teams want to 3 stop in the race. There are more variables in this 2 hour format.

Before everyone in GT1 had to make 3 stops for fuel regardless, unless of course you are GPLK who managed to 2 stop once (Imola) and you had to fuel the car twice, and you certainly had to stop for tyres once, if not twice.

Hazard · 18 Sep 2005, 11:24 (Ref:1410342)

Quite like the two hour format...but admit it isn't very 'endurance'...it's like a DTM race with driver changes.

Tribute thread to Michael Park has been created in the Tributes forum:
http://tentenths.com/forum/showthread.php?p=1410304

SALEEN S7R · 18 Sep 2005, 11:26 (Ref:1410345)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hazard

Quite like the two hour format...but admit it isn't very 'endurance'...it's like a DTM race with driver changes.

Almost, but not quite. IMO. DTM races are usually a maximum of 80 minutes or so. 2 Hours for me is a nice length, any shorter however and I would agree, the races would be too short. But this format is spectator friendly, and TV friendly. IMO.

Hazard · 18 Sep 2005, 11:29 (Ref:1410346)

Quote:

Originally Posted by SALEEN S7R

Almost, but not quite. IMO. DTM races are usually a maximum of 80 minutes or so. 2 Hours for me is a nice length, any shorter however and I would agree, the races would be too short. But this format is spectator friendly, and TV friendly.

Definately...as Eurosport are covering the whole thing without shunting it to other channels or taking a 15 break here and there for a change!

DTM races are just over an hour really, but the overall 'feel' is like a DTM race...actual length isn't representative.

The max for an F1/IRL race is usually 2 hours aswell don't forget - they don't have driver changes!

SALEEN S7R · 18 Sep 2005, 11:32 (Ref:1410348)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hazard

The max for an F1/IRL race is usually 2 hours aswell don't forget - they don't have driver changes!

Ah yes, but is F1/IRL as hard on the drivers as FIA GT? F1 maybe, IRL? I dont know, they are open top cars after all so get a lot more fresh cool air to them than what the guys in the closed top cars do, cool suits or not, and of course theres always a lot of yellow flag periods in the IRL, plenty of time to grab your breath. Although GT1 cars probably dont pull quite so many G's as the IRL cars id still say its tougher work to drive a GT1 car. IMO.

Go_For_Pole · 18 Sep 2005, 11:49 (Ref:1410366)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nordic

The track looks deserted, where are the crowd?

They were expecting 20000 today but unfortunately there something like 5000. In fact, on a really hot day like this I am really surprised that so many people are willing to suffer for so many hours under the sun.

**FIRE** · 18 Sep 2005, 11:53 (Ref:1410372)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Go_For_Pole

They were expecting 20000 today but unfortunately there something like 5000. In fact, on a really hot day like this I am really surprised that so many people are willing to suffer for so many hours under the sun.

Hot weather? According the Eurosport commentator it was only 24 Celcius.

Congrats to Vitaphone (Bartels & Scheider) and Gruppe M (Collard & Sugden).

Dani Filth · 18 Sep 2005, 12:04 (Ref:1410379)

it was a very good race early on .. the SC did rather bad .. and the middle stint for Deletraz was weak . but Piccini recovered to 4th .

**FIRE** · 18 Sep 2005, 12:04 (Ref:1410380)

Race result:
POS NO CL DRIVERS NAT CAR TIME LAPS GAP KPH BEST
1 9 GT1 Bartels/Scheider Maserati MC12 GT1 2:00:02.986 59 157.30 1:51.138
2 10 GT1 Babini/Biagi Maserati MC12 GT1 2:00:13.946 59 10.960 157.06 1:50.949
3 15 GT1 Bertolini/Wendlinger Maserati MC12 GT1 2:00:29.973 59 26.987 156.71 1:51.667
4 2 GT1 Deletraz/Piccini Ferrari 575 Maranello GTC 2:00:59.457 59 56.471 156.07 1:51.768
5 6 GT1 Longin/Kumpen/Hezemans Corvette C5R 2:01:07.351 59 1:04.365 155.90 1:52.170
6 16 GT1 Peter/Artam/Pillon Maserati MC12 GT1 2:00:08.476 58 1 LAP 154.51 1:51.561
7 11 GT1 Lamy/Gardel Ferrari 550 Maranello 2:00:16.966 58 1 LAP 154.33 1:50.956
8 88 GT2 Collard/Sugden Porsche 996 GT3 RSR 2:00:19.987 58 1 LAP 154.27 1:56.794
9 66 GT2 Lieb/Rockenfeller Porsche 996 GT3 RSR 2:00:21.809 58 1 LAP 154.23 1:55.658
10 17 GT1 Bouchut/Fomenko/Vasiliev Ferrari 550 Maranello 2:00:19.609 57 2 LAPS 151.61 1:51.925
11 74 GT2 Busnelli/Moccia Porsche 996 GT3 RSR 2:01:32.645 56 3 LAPS 147.46 1:59.043
12 69 GT2 Ried/Ried Porsche 996 GT3 RSR 2:01:37.197 55 4 LAPS 144.73 2:02.742
13 56 GT2 Vonka/Casadei/Armindo Porsche 996 GT3 RSR 2:00:59.273 54 5 LAPS 142.84 2:03.337
14 57 GT2 Konopka/Emiliani Porsche 996 GT3 RSR 2:02:02.205 54 5 LAPS 141.61 2:04.629
15 86 GT2 Lambertini/Lemeret Ferrari 360 Modena 1:42:18.203 45 14 LAPS 140.75 2:00.078
16 14 GT1 Keen/Halliday Lister Storm GT 1:33:41.297 44 15 LAPS 150.28 1:52.263
17 25 GT1 Pergl/Kox Ferrari 550 Maranello 1:47:27.057 43 16 LAPS 128.05 1:53.564
Not Classified
4 GT1 Saviozzi/Marcinkiewicz/Konrad Saleen S7 R 23:15.688 12 D.N.F. 164.68 1:54.245
5 GT1 Lechner/Ruberti Saleen S7 R 17:09.374 9 D.N.F. 167.28 1:52.711

Fastest Lap
10 GT1 Babini/Biagi Maserati MC12 GT1 1:50.949 42 107.62mph 173.20
66 GT2 Lieb/Rockenfeller Porsche 996 GT3 RSR 1:55.658 54 103.24mph 166.15
Source: www.msttiming.com

Dani Filth · 18 Sep 2005, 12:08 (Ref:1410381)

forgot . terrible race for Saleens again .
mixed feeling for the 2h race too . there are many cars with one really strong driver and a lesser one .. in a 2h race. they can't really recover from that . it would be ok with no driver changes . or max 1 change . but that's not endurance racing

JAG · 18 Sep 2005, 12:26 (Ref:1410397)

Quote:

Originally Posted by SALEEN S7R

Not really JAG, IMO. The teams running the MC12's have IMO no real reason to complain. Yes the car will never race at Le Mans, but there is life after Le Mans! The European Maserati teams in particular are doing very well with the cars, Vitaphone are currently leading the FIA GT teams Championship with JMB in 2nd and JMB are leading the drivers championship with Vitaphone in 3rd. Okay in the ALMS the car hasnt faired quite so well but IMO its not done badly either.

The 575 on the other hand has never really been given much in the way of development and support by Ferrari. I say again, the European teams running MC12's this year have not had a raw deal, the car took 1st and 2nd in the Spa 24hrs this year in front of a huge crowd and has done extremely well in FIA GT this year, but not been totally dominant. IMO.

I wouldn't touch a GT1 car that could not race in ACO events. What happens if FIA GT drops out of favour with teams, were are the Maserati teams going to race?

How much commitment have Masearti to the MC12. They are not building anymore race cars and are switching focus to a GT2 car.

As for the 575, weren't they more expensive than a Prodrive 550?

This is the problem for GT1 racing, so many very expensive cars have no future. Teams cannot justify shelling out £1m for a new car every couple of years.

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