JV's future (cntd) - Page 2

ASCII Man · 18 Sep 2005, 09:00 (Ref:1410240)

oh wait, nevermind!

**Adam43** · 18 Sep 2005, 09:01 (Ref:1410241)

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Originally Posted by Dixie Flatline

True - he should have a look at doing Le Mans and if he wins it, I think that would make him the only person in history to win the Indy 500, the Formula One world championship and Le Mans.

Apart from Graham Hill.

flashF1 · 18 Sep 2005, 10:18 (Ref:1410295)

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Originally Posted by Dixie Flatline

I've just seen on another forum a repost of an article f1today.nl quoting Dr Thiessen:

The above is a translation of an article in Dutch, so I don't know how accurate it really is. However, it seems to confirm what I've written above - that BMW will look at JV in the next three races and then make a decision. Therefore, it's in JV's court - does he want to wait until the end of the season (by which time the other competitive seats will already have been taken) to work out whether BMW will take him or not, or does he want to start looking at other options for next season?

The link to the original article: http://www.f1today.nl/index.php?loca...nieu wsid=4396

It's not clear to me what Mario is saying, however I do concur with Mario that switching to a new team has not helped the cause. But then again both Fisi and Monty have also struggled to. An objective observer would see as the year has progressed Jacques perfromance has improved and is on par with Massa. I would say Massa and Nick are pretty evenly matched drivers.

I think Mario is in a tough position, he has gotten his star driver in Nick who is being rewarded handsomely both in terms of money and duration of his contract.

Next years V8's and fewer driver aids flatter Jacques because of past experience with like. How would Mario's decesion look if Jacques beats him and my money is on Jacques!

**Adam43** · 18 Sep 2005, 11:20 (Ref:1410335)

If Jacques beats Nick then Mario will be happy because his car will be higher up the grid than if he wasn't!

joe rossi · 18 Sep 2005, 11:22 (Ref:1410340)

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Originally Posted by flashF1

Next years V8's and fewer driver aids flatter Jacques because of past experience with like. How would Mario's decesion look if Jacques beats him and my money is on Jacques!

Yeah right...like he was going to "destroy" Button, then Alonso, then Massa, now Heidfield. Jacques ain't capable of destroying any teammate these days. If he keeps his job Nick will blow him away next year...then again there will always be an excuse or reason for each occasion, won't there?

flashF1 · 18 Sep 2005, 11:47 (Ref:1410363)

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Originally Posted by joe rossi

Yeah right...like he was going to "destroy" Button, then Alonso, then Massa, now Heidfield. Jacques ain't capable of destroying any teammate these days. If he keeps his job Nick will blow him away next year...then again there will always be an excuse or reason for each occasion, won't there?

Destroy, sorry I am an objective observer. Jacques being 1/10 off the pace of Alonso this years WDC in Brasil last year, is further evidence that Jacques belongs in F1.

I think you are new to F1 by the way you speak. I rate Jenson and 4 races don't a season make.

It's funny eh? Webbo who has made Nick look good this year turned down Dr. Mario's offer to join BMW. Go figure?

**Adam43** · 18 Sep 2005, 12:35 (Ref:1410407)

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Originally Posted by flashF1

I think you are new to F1 by the way you speak.

I don't think he is. Anyway let us keep it to the topic before we degenerate into attacking the poster and not the post. Thanks everyone.

Schultz · 18 Sep 2005, 12:41 (Ref:1410420)

The only thing thats going to save JV next year is an appeal to the contract recognition board after BMW sack him.

**Adam43** · 18 Sep 2005, 12:44 (Ref:1410422)

Schultz, we don't know anything like that at the moment. Apart from reading things into the odd press release not even about JV, we know nothing other than JV has a two year contract with Sauber.

It may or may not happen, but I wouldn't state things with so much certainty!

SpawnyWhippet · 18 Sep 2005, 12:48 (Ref:1410426)

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Originally Posted by flashF1

Next years V8's and fewer driver aids flatter Jacques because of past experience with like. How would Mario's decesion look if Jacques beats him and my money is on Jacques!

I'll go with Joe Rossi on this one - I doubt JV will be anywhere near Nick after NH has had a few laps in the car.

joe rossi · 18 Sep 2005, 13:02 (Ref:1410445)

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Originally Posted by Andydickens

I'll go with Joe Rossi on this one - I doubt JV will be anywhere near Nick after NH has had a few laps in the car.

Speaking as an F1 "newbie" with only 11 years following the sport and politics (thanks Adam!), lets not forget Nick was at Sauber for a few years, and most of the same people I assume are still there. This should help him "hit the ground running" with the team, regardless of the new owners, V8's, etc.

joe rossi · 18 Sep 2005, 13:09 (Ref:1410454)

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Originally Posted by flashF1

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I stand by my asseration and my point. Dispute my facts. I agree lets not have this thread degrade because of ones biased opinion. Cheers!

Sorry, I didn't understand most of that, but to re-iterate my "biased" opinion;

I am not anti-JV as a driver, but every year Jv's "fans" and often Jv himself make proclamations about how he is going to destroy this years teammate and how the big teams will soon be knocking on his door again. this invariably never happens, and we have to endure a season of excuses and reasons why this didn't happen, only to begin the whole process again the following year.

By the way, who said Webber turned down a BMW drive? where is the link or proof of this statement? I haven't heard about this from here or any other web site.

flashF1 · 18 Sep 2005, 13:17 (Ref:1410461)

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Originally Posted by joe rossi

Sorry, I didn't understand most of that, but to re-iterate my "biased" opinion;

I am not anti-JV as a driver, but every year Jv's "fans" and often Jv himself make proclamations about how he is going to destroy this years teammate and how the big teams will soon be knocking on his door again. this invariably never happens, and we have to endure a season of excuses and reasons why this didn't happen, only to begin the whole process again the following year.

By the way, who said Webber turned down a BMW drive? where is the link or proof of this statement? I haven't heard about this from here or any other web site.

Sorry, where did Jacques say he would destroy Massa. No, what he said was that he could learn from Massa. In kind Massa said Jacques is not the ****** people make him out to be.

See Webbo interview, a google search will lead you there.

williamsf1 · 18 Sep 2005, 13:29 (Ref:1410489)

ok Im looking for the google link???? I can't find it

care to help us all out?

Marbot · 18 Sep 2005, 13:34 (Ref:1410495)

Even BMW admit that Williams will be ahead of them next year.Why would Webbo want to go there?

flashF1 · 18 Sep 2005, 13:47 (Ref:1410517)

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Originally Posted by williamsf1

ok Im looking for the google link???? I can't find it

care to help us all out?

no worries! enjoy!

http://rapidshare.de/files/5233289/R..._9_05.mp3.html

flashF1 · 18 Sep 2005, 14:08 (Ref:1410539)

AdamAshmore it's a direct quote and I will provide quotes in the future.

''Everyone said to me 'Jacques, he talks too much, he's a *******','' the 24-year-old Brazilian driver quipped.

''But I don't think so. Step by step, I saw he's a nice guy.''

Jordi · 18 Sep 2005, 14:24 (Ref:1410567)

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Originally Posted by Dixie Flatline

True - he should have a look at doing Le Mans and if he wins it, I think that would make him the only person in history to win the Indy 500, the Formula One world championship and Le Mans. A pretty handy trio to put on your CV, wouldn't you think?

As Adam pointed out, Graham Hill did that. (and win Monaco 5 times, too)

Jacques would probably be the first driver to win the F1 title, the IndyCar title, the Indy 500 and Le Mans, if he won les 24 heures.

**Adam43** · 18 Sep 2005, 14:30 (Ref:1410579)

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Originally Posted by flashF1

AdamAshmore it's a direct quote and I will provide quotes in the future.

''Everyone said to me 'Jacques, he talks too much, he's a *******','' the 24-year-old Brazilian driver quipped.

''But I don't think so. Step by step, I saw he's a nice guy.''

Source and/or link please. For copyright purposes.

flashF1 · 18 Sep 2005, 14:34 (Ref:1410587)

Sauber archives ... cheers

**Adam43** · 18 Sep 2005, 14:43 (Ref:1410600)

Any particular one? On the website? Or is it a blowing the dust off an old paper in the journals at some library in Switzerland

flashF1 · 18 Sep 2005, 14:56 (Ref:1410613)

www.sauber.ch, cheers again!

**Adam43** · 18 Sep 2005, 15:04 (Ref:1410625)

Of course the archives on that site (which I link too) are rather big.

flashF1 · 18 Sep 2005, 15:05 (Ref:1410627)

your, point is what?

**Adam43** · 18 Sep 2005, 15:06 (Ref:1410629)

I can't find it and I want to read the article!

and it would help us nail down any copyright issues, by aiding anyone to find the quote and reward the effort of those who put the interview together. And other boring things like that

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