Lotus 35 - Page 2

Chris Townsend · 23 Jul 2003, 16:51 (Ref:1554488)

Lotus 35
In 1969 the ex Peter Sellers Racing 35 is being raced in F3 by Tony Birchenough.

KDW · 24 Jul 2003, 09:16 (Ref:1554492)

Chris,
I have photos of Birchenough driving his car, so thats one more car / chassis no identified.
Kevin

DaveM · 24 Jul 2003, 21:05 (Ref:1554495)

Here's the ex-Peter Sellers car at Croft in May 66 when raced by Bill Robson. It still has Peter Sellers Racing painted on the side, but has an interesting home made nose.

Chris Townsend · 24 Jul 2003, 22:23 (Ref:1554499)

Re the Mo Nunn car [F3-8]. Autosport race report for the Lombank Tr race at Mallory in March '68, says it's still his 1966 car, so it may well be that the Jennings ad was the original owner trying to sell it. after Nunn had used it for a season or so.

Re 35's: a Paul Tucomb enters the 'ex Collomb' car for the Coupe de Vitesse at Albi in '68

Do we know how long Bill Robson had the ex-Sellers Racing car?

Chris

KDW · 25 Jul 2003, 08:23 (Ref:1554500)

Re 35's
Brian Hart drove a 35 fitted with a non standard nose, it looked like the Protos, so I assume it was a low drag Costin nose.

KDW · 25 Jul 2003, 08:55 (Ref:1554501)

Thanks guys,
I am building up some history for the 35's but there seem to be several cars that have never been noted.
I have a pic of T Birchenough in Aug 68 at Brands

I am also interested if any more cars survive now. We still seem to only know my car + Paul Matty+ John Dimmer. Thats just 3. There must be more than that.

Bryan Miller · 25 Jul 2003, 10:06 (Ref:1554502)

Kevin et al .

Lotus 35 , in 1966 in Argentina in Jan. 3 cars appear as F3s , Jochen Neerpasch , Karl von Wendt and Walter Fluckiger.
Vallelunga 9-6-66, we have Scuderia Jolly Club for Salvatore Genovese.
Silverstone 18-6-66 as well as the already mentioned W.A Robson entry for Andy Wilkinson , we have C.Priddey in a 35.
At Rheims on 3-7-66 Neerpasch for von Wendt and Roland Binder for himself.
Apart from the above ,the 3 main users of 35s in1966 are Peter Sellers Racing for Brian Hart and Barrie Hart , and the BMW powered car of Freddy Kottulinsky.
All the above in F3 , which begs the question is Brian Hart running his last years F2 car converted to F3 specs,or is this a different car and Hart's car has gone elsewhere.

KDW · 25 Jul 2003, 12:15 (Ref:1554503)

Bryan,
There were two Lotus 35's sold to Lotus Switzerland dealer in 1965.
One is thought to be Karl Foitek who entered his in 1600cc form, TC?, at Hockenheim in Spring 65 for Swiss Champ Races there.
The second car was Walter Fluckiger who entered his F3 Lotus 35 in St-Ursanne les Rangier on 22/8/65.

Both my car and Paul Matty's came from Switzerland.
Now we both have TC's.
My Hewland is marked
LC 165 Mk6 8/65
H6296 725.

so was mine the F3 Lotus 35 ??
I think you are involved with Hewland, I have tried to ask them which car/when the 'box was sold, but no response to date.
Kevin

Chris Townsend · 25 Jul 2003, 20:42 (Ref:1554504)

To confuse matters more, Peter Sellers Racing seem to have had two 35s at the start of 1966, both raced by Harts!

At Snetterton, 9 April 66 Barry Hart finishes 7th in a Sellers car with Brian Hart coming home in 3rd [behind Pike and Gethin] in another Sellers entry. Same situation prevails at Barcelona, which was late April? Giving Bill Robson less than a month to buy his car and get it out and running at Croft at the end of May. And which car? Maybe Brian Hart's with the funny nose?

Chris

Bryan Miller · 26 Jul 2003, 00:04 (Ref:1554509)

Kevin.
Yes ,I am the authorised Hewland distributor for OZ. and N.Z.
The LC165 mk6 8/65.
I have these sort of numbers on the Lotus 27 sales cards.

Best informed guess is that LC is Lotus Components, 165 is an internal Lotus number and 8/65 del. date
The actual gearbox number is H6-296 , meaning a MK 6 Hewland serial number 296

I don't have a clue what the 725 is for.
Generally on the VW cased boxes and others as well the Hewland plate on the back will have as in your case H6-296, and on the bearing carrier , that is the section you remove to pull out with the layshaft still losely attached is also stamped H6-296 .
Some cars I have seen have different numbers , due to accidents , when the car has been '' backed in '' and a replacement end cover with a diff. plate has been found of a discarded 'box and slipped on .
Same as sliding a diff. chassis under your orig. ch.pl.

Mk.6 is F3 gearbox , in 4 speed configuration , and all that was required for F3, given minimal torque of these engines.
But having said that , no trouble to convert to 5 speed configuration later on
With the 27 sales cards , the cars that are listed have MK6 and I think Mk.5 if you were running a 1500cc pushrod or t/c.
Given the 1000cc F2 was in use , and that allowed 5 speed and a L.S.D. the F2 cars probably had MK5s.
However we need some sales cards for the 35s to find out for sure .
Yes , Hewland have buried somewhere all the build records, the problem is somebody finding time to search them out.I had very recent experience of this , in as much as a gearbox I purchased 2 weeks ago , when they could tell me date of del. and gearsets fitted , but have'nt been able to advise at this point in time the customer.
On the face of it , it looks like your car is ex. F3 , but you don't know if it started as an F2 , and a descision was made to go F3 , and the MK5 was swapped for a MK 6 , dead simple to achieve.
Bryan.
P.S. to all . Hewland records could help solve some mysteries , I will contact Steve Clews and see what I can sort out with them.

Bryan Miller · 26 Jul 2003, 07:13 (Ref:1554511)

Kevin.
Thinking about your request to Hewland , all they would ever be able to advise you , is the customer , which in your case will surely be Lotus or Lotus Components.

Bryan.

Roger H · 26 Jul 2003, 07:59 (Ref:1554512)

Bryan,
Just a note about the Hewland boxes in 1 Litre Formula Two. Hewland produced a Mk7 box, based on the Mk6 with a longer bearing carrier and six speeds. This box was standard wear in F2 at the time.
Roger

Bryan Miller · 26 Jul 2003, 08:16 (Ref:1554513)

Roger , thank you , how stupid of me .
We just didn't ever see the Mk7 's over here,although there are a couple now.
A few months ago I was discussing these gearboxes with Peter Smith at PDS. racing and he told me that Matra did their own 6 speed version , slightly different to Hewlands version.

When I was typing little noises were happening in the brain dept. but I ignored them , and misinformation is the result.
Apologies again .
Bryan.

Bryan Miller · 26 Jul 2003, 23:00 (Ref:1554514)

To all concerned parties.
Early in this thread I advised re. Lotus sales and chassis cards for the Type 27's.
Is this info. elsewhere.??
If not shall I post a new thread,or do we have enough on our plates at this point in time.
The lists may assist Kevin Whittle in solving all the 32/35/44's

over to you .
Bryan.

Bryan Miller · 27 Jul 2003, 04:55 (Ref:1554515)

Kevin.
More on your gearbox,
Is the number definately 725????
I don't have a definitive knowledge of VW crown wheel and pinion options, but on the 27 sales cards they list out gearbox as say lOTUS 5 SPEED VW LC71 mk4 H 8/35.
The last number i.e. the 8/35 refers to the crown wheel and pinion fitted .
perhaps there was a 7/25 , it is just not heard of over here.
8/35 = 4.375
7/25 = 3.57

Certainly one other option that was available then and now is an 8/33=4.125
All the top FJ's use a more modern Hewland ratio which is 7/31 =4.428.
Bryan.

KDW · 27 Jul 2003, 10:05 (Ref:1554516)

Bryan,
V intersting, I'll check my again. The car also came with a spare cwp. I will check that also.
Remember one of the Swiss 35's a Continental hill climb champ car.

One other point, Per Clive Chapman the chassis plate also ties up with a monocoque number. My car is stamped down at the junction of seat back and floor with 35/22.
CC said that his records indicated 35/22 was 35-F20.
Kevin
PS re the thread, keep going, this is really useful stuff !

KDW · 27 Jul 2003, 10:06 (Ref:1554517)

Sorry I should have said my chassis plate is 35-F20
Kevin

KDW · 28 Jul 2003, 09:17 (Ref:1554518)

Bryan
My Mk 6 is stamped 7 25
My spare CWP is only the CW which is 35 tooth.

D Ortenburgers book on Costin states that P Sellers, prompted by driver Brian Hart got F Costin in to look at the teams Lotus 35F3 car.
BH said that it lacked aerodynamics and rad cooling. FC did a new nose cone. That is the nose on the car I have a Ferret picture of.
When the car was sold on to Bill Robson, see Page 2 of this thread, the car was with a home made nose.
Did PSR decide to remove the nose as they had paid the FC fee.
Or did FC remove the nose to fit on the first Protos, as the Protos was nearing completion and apeared with a v similar nose?
Kevin

KDW · 29 Jul 2003, 13:23 (Ref:1554519)

David,
did the last two Lotus 35 owners, in your posting, M Thouleson and R Lamplough keep their cars or sell them on? Where were they advertised for sale?

David McKinney · 29 Jul 2003, 18:56 (Ref:1554520)

Sorry Kevin, can't be much help
I suspect I saw Thoulesen's in a French race that year - certainly the Lamplough car was at the Silverstone Festival, driven by someone else.

Bryan Miller · 30 Jul 2003, 23:27 (Ref:1554528)

Another trail on a Lotus 35.
Autosport 21-5-70 at Mondello reports the ex. Luke Duffy Lotus 35 changing hands to Des McCoy. Page no. 31
Bryan.

Bryan Miller · 2 Aug 2003, 23:13 (Ref:1554530)

Kevin.

Two more trails for your Lotus 35 quest.

Autosport 27-8-70 page 3 , has a car with Austrian driver Richard Weber.
F1R. has Wolfgang Stumpf running at Munchen-Neubiberg 25-10-1970 in Lotus 35 , 35-F- 15.

Regards Bryan.

KDW · 3 Aug 2003, 15:08 (Ref:1554531)

Bryan,
thanks, we are getting there.
I was at HSCC Castle Combe yesterday. V hot.
Classic Racing Cars is where I am headed. The Lotus 35 is over 500cc and pre 12/65.
at CC there was just one competetitor in that class, so provided I finish, even, (huh, I AM going to be slow!), if I am v slow, I shall be 2nd !!!
No Lotus entered at all, seemed mostly to be Brabhams. In other classes were some lovely cars, inc several screamer 1 litre cars. They seem to be allowed to run cut Avon slicks, so while loosing out a little on top speed, their cornering power gets them good results. They looked and sounded v nice.
Kevin

ROBSL · 3 Aug 2003, 22:39 (Ref:1554532)

Lotus 35 F2 BRM still have it last used at Coys a few years ago where I loaned it to Jurg Dubler.
There was another similar car that I saw in Coys in the early 1980's and they told me it had been sold to Japan.

KDW · 5 Aug 2003, 15:50 (Ref:1554533)

Robs,
I have a photo from Ted Walkers Ferret Emporium that shows Jaques Maglia in a F2 Snetterton race, driving his Lotus 32.
Ted's photo gives 32-F2-6 as the chassis number.
The b&w pic shows a white? car with a central darker stripe down the middle. SCA engine cover and w web wheels.
So I take it that was the car you and Frank bought.
On your 35 does the monocoque number and chassis plate tie up with same number.
When I spoke to Clive Chapman recently, he said my tub no 35/22 was F20.
Kevin

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