who's going to win british f3? - Page 2

Russfeld · 13 Apr 2006, 20:38 (Ref:1580700)

I dont see any reason to rate Duran, or any of them really. Its a case of best of a bad bunch. Its the slow decline Brit F3 has been on for a while, or maybe its just racing overall.

**bella** · 13 Apr 2006, 20:55 (Ref:1580720)

lets not have that discussion now, eh?

Knowlesy · 13 Apr 2006, 20:57 (Ref:1580722)

I think as long as the series continues to produce great racing, it's not terribly upsetting having a lower quality field.

They can't be awesome every year...very soon there'll be an explosion of talent no doubt!

Back to topic!

strider · 13 Apr 2006, 21:16 (Ref:1580735)

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Originally Posted by bella

does anyone know whether either engines have been tested in qualifying spec yet?

Almost certainly not. Saturday morning will show, maybe tomorrow morning.

ukkartace · 13 Apr 2006, 22:51 (Ref:1580837)

i think that conway will take tittle but jarvis will be in contention throughout the season, it seems like carlin have some speed in the bag and are by far the best f3 outft around however i think conway just has that little bit of experience and confidence which will help when it bolis to the crunch point.
however it wouldnt surprise me if jarvis pulls it off....

Suze · 13 Apr 2006, 22:52 (Ref:1580839)

So you're vote is for Conway and Jarvis?

Jarvis and Carlin will be in contention, or so I think...Carlin are the best outfit around atm as they have more experience than, say, RR in BF3.

strider · 14 Apr 2006, 08:50 (Ref:1581041)

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strider · 14 Apr 2006, 08:53 (Ref:1581043)

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Originally Posted by Suze

Carlin are the best outfit around atm as they have more experience than, say, RR in BF3.

That's not strictly true, as the core people at Double R are ex-Carlin. It just depends how they organise themselves.

Suze · 14 Apr 2006, 09:13 (Ref:1581062)

Indeed, haven't forgotten

The people have the experience, but fundamentally Double R are a "new" team, which is more what I was trying to say

climb · 14 Apr 2006, 09:34 (Ref:1581087)

Conway after a hard fight (I hope)

**bella** · 14 Apr 2006, 11:52 (Ref:1581188)

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Originally Posted by Suze

Indeed, haven't forgotten

The people have the experience, but fundamentally Double R are a "new" team, which is more what I was trying to say

complete nonsense. if the staff have largely known each other and worked together for ages, and the technical knowledge especially in the formula isn't "new", then what can make a team "new"?

runshaw · 14 Apr 2006, 12:07 (Ref:1581205)

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Originally Posted by bella

then what can make a team "new"?

The fact that they entered as a brand new F3 outfit last year, so in effect, they are a new team.

**bella** · 14 Apr 2006, 12:11 (Ref:1581207)

that's not what suze was saying, i don't think. i think she's trying to say that just because carlins tool boxes are older and they've owned their chassis for longer, they have a better chance of winning the title...

Suze · 14 Apr 2006, 12:42 (Ref:1581230)

No, I wasn't....they are a new team in effect, a new championship entrant, which is what I'm saying whether they're mainly ex Carlin or not. I'll tell you what I think ta

**bella** · 14 Apr 2006, 13:23 (Ref:1582209)

thats completely against the justification you were using up there, so what you were effectively saying was that carlin are better because they've filed a couple of pieces of paper for more years?

Suze · 14 Apr 2006, 13:45 (Ref:1582219)

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Having been made or come into being only a short time ago; recent

- definition of something new. Double R were a new entrant, they have less experience as a new team in F3. Carlin are an older team, whether half the Double R team are ex Carlin or not. That's self explanatory.

[edit] Carlin have done more than file paper, they've actually *won* things whilst Double R haven't been entered.

runshaw · 14 Apr 2006, 15:44 (Ref:1582276)

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Originally Posted by bella

that's not what suze was saying, i don't think

Yes it is.

**bella** · 14 Apr 2006, 18:08 (Ref:1582354)

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Originally Posted by Suze

Carlin have done more than file paper, they've actually *won* things whilst Double R haven't been entered.

...with the engineers that now run double r. you cannot define a team on how long they have run in a series. it's the engineers that count.

who is actually behind the technical side of things at carlin f3 now?

runshaw · 14 Apr 2006, 18:44 (Ref:1582380)

What so you really don't call RR a new team at all? Are Super Aguri a new team in F1, even though 90% of the workforce are not new to F1? Yes. Are RR a new team in F3, even though they have many ex-F3 employees? Yes.

**bella** · 14 Apr 2006, 18:52 (Ref:1582389)

they're the newest, but by using new as an excuse why they won't beat carlin it's being completely ignorant to the fact that a lot of the key personnel have been working together for years. the only difference is that as i say, double r haven't filed the pieces of paper with the championship for as long as carlin. in fact, double r being set up *arguably* (i don't know if it did or it didn't, thats why i say arguably) set carlin back a couple of steps.

i still maintain that using the excuse of a team being the newest as to why they won't beat carlin is weak beyond any other. which is what was done in the first place, and i think is offensive towards the team. it's one of those off the cuff remarks that needs to be thought about before it's said.

Suze · 14 Apr 2006, 18:59 (Ref:1582398)

Where has it been used as an excuse...? I haven't said they won't win - maybe reading the thread is a better idea, and you will see I myself say it'll be Conway - remind me, he drives for Double R doesn't he? Look at last season's results. You cannot deny the fact Carlin were more successful than Double R. It wasn't an off the cuff remark, it's a fact.

runshaw · 14 Apr 2006, 19:03 (Ref:1582402)

Hear hear!

**bella** · 14 Apr 2006, 19:13 (Ref:1582409)

crikey, anyone hear an echo in here :/

sorry, i stand by my point, and if it hadn't crossed your minds i do read every thread what with moderating the forum and all.

runshaw · 14 Apr 2006, 19:18 (Ref:1582413)

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Originally Posted by bella

crikey, anyone hear an echo in here :/

sorry, i stand by my point, and if it hadn't crossed your minds i do read every thread what with moderating the forum and all.

No, it isn't an echo, its whats known as agreeing with someone elses valid viewpoint, which is what forums are for are they not?

littleman · 14 Apr 2006, 21:13 (Ref:1582504)

The definition of the word 'New', in the Concise Oxford Dictionary, actually supports the arguments of both parties. The adjective definition of 'New' is: "of recent origin or arrival", which is clearly true of RR Racing.However, when applied to persons or in a business sense, the definition of 'New' is: "inexperienced or unaccustomed", which RR Racing certainly are not. I think it's fair to say then that RR Racing are a "new" team staffed by experienced people.

View Poll Results: who's going to win british f3?
mike conway	14	29.79%
oli jarvis	8	17.02%
salvador duran	8	17.02%
bruno senna	15	31.91%
christian bakkerud	1	2.13%
james walker	1	2.13%
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