Toyota/Rebellion Racing - Le Mans/ILMC/LMS - 2011 (merged) - Page 21

**Aysedasi** · 11 Mar 2011, 08:42 (Ref:2843813)

Superb colour scheme - I thought last year's cars looked great, but those are stunning!

**Bentley03** · 11 Mar 2011, 08:51 (Ref:2843818)

Quote:

Originally Posted by TF110

Toyota fan here, so I'll be rooting for these guys this year.

Sebah/Rebellion fan here, so I'll also be rooting for these guys (again) this year.

(......whilst displaying complete impartiality on this forum, of course.

)

R4z3rw33n · 11 Mar 2011, 12:30 (Ref:2843913)

Surely this (and the already discussed front/rear TMG decals) removes any doubt over the legitimacy of Toyota's involvement.

From Rebellion's Facebook page:

Lola T70 · 11 Mar 2011, 12:58 (Ref:2843931)

Quote:

Originally Posted by R4z3rw33n

Surely this (and the already discussed front/rear TMG decals) removes any doubt over the legitimacy of Toyota's involvement.

From Rebellion's Facebook page:

You mean the support engine engineer and engine mechanic or do you mean the fact they are wearing branded Toyota jackets?

trahsub · 11 Mar 2011, 14:31 (Ref:2843992)

Quote:

Originally Posted by R4z3rw33n

Surely this (and the already discussed front/rear TMG decals) removes any doubt over the legitimacy of Toyota's involvement.

From Rebellion's Facebook page:

Umm sorry, to burst the bubble, but that is actually my friend and I asking the team if they have any quarters for the soda machine that is just out of view in that picture. We love Toyatas

**Aysedasi** · 11 Mar 2011, 17:13 (Ref:2844063)

No, actually the photo has been unintentionally reversed in the uploading process. Those are people from Atoyot, makers of model boats who are minor sponsors of the team this year......

veeten · 11 Mar 2011, 18:44 (Ref:2844123)

Hmmmm... reminds me of a previous use of that colour scheme.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:19...us_72_(kl).JPG

**joeb** · 11 Mar 2011, 19:03 (Ref:2844130)

Quote:

Originally Posted by veeten

Hmmmm... reminds me of a previous use of that colour scheme.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:19...us_72_(kl).JPG

or what about this?

TF110 · 11 Mar 2011, 21:04 (Ref:2844215)

Darn Toyota, that GT-One was something else in its time. Well, at least they topped the time sheets in todays test.

JAG · 20 Apr 2011, 18:35 (Ref:2867126)

It's been up for a while but this is an interesting interview with Bart Hayden and discusses how the Toyota deal came about.

http://audio.mpix.org.uk/tlo/tlo11_hayden_bart.mp3

The Badger · 20 Apr 2011, 21:26 (Ref:2867233)

New bodywork on the way ..... I thought that would happen with Toyota involvment .

Anybody doing any TV coverage for this weekend ?

JAG · 20 Apr 2011, 22:09 (Ref:2867254)

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Badger

New bodywork on the way ..... I thought that would happen with Toyota involvment.

Is that a Lola thing that will be rolled out to other customers?

The most interesting point is Toyota came looking for a team and Rebellion hoping for greater factory support.

The Badger · 20 Apr 2011, 22:54 (Ref:2867277)

Not sure Jag , all Ive heard is that Rebellion are working together with Lola on aero mods ..... depends on whos forking out for the development I suppose .

Slipknot · 22 Apr 2011, 01:06 (Ref:2867909)

Article with pic off new aero.

http://www.planetlemans.com/2011/04/...ellion-racing/

gwyllion · 22 Apr 2011, 06:24 (Ref:2867953)

The first picture of the new aero package: http://www.rebellion-racing.com/110422.html

Quote:

The front of the car is based on a brand new concept, with new front lights and bodywork changes that will allow the team’s Lola-Toyota cars to use the larger front tyres available from Michelin. The rear of the team’s Lola-Toyota cars will adopt 'swan neck’ rear wing supports as the main visible change.

JAG · 22 Apr 2011, 10:10 (Ref:2868031)

Quote:

Lola cars has designed and produced this new aero kit for REBELLION Racing. The work started at the end of last year based on REBELLION Racing’s requirements and desire to improve the overall package of their cars.

Sounds like Rebellion/Toyota have paid for the update.

**Bentley03** · 22 Apr 2011, 11:50 (Ref:2868090)

Quote:

Originally Posted by JAG

Sounds like Rebellion/Toyota have paid for the update.

My guess is Rebellion/Lola have incurred the costs, unless the update is available exclusively to Rebellion, in which case Rebellion alone will have incurred the cost.

I don't buy into the theory that Toyota money is directly being spent on anything other than engine supply to Rebellion. Indirectly, however, the savings Rebellion are making as a result of Toyota's generous terms (for the supply of engines) may well have freed up a chunk of Rebellion's budget to spend on development such as this (that may even be part of the agreement with Toyota).

MulsanneMike · 22 Apr 2011, 12:05 (Ref:2868097)

There's never been any credible evidence Toyota's involvement was anything beyond engine supplier.

**Bentley03** · 22 Apr 2011, 12:26 (Ref:2868113)

Quote:

Originally Posted by MulsanneMike

There's never been any credible evidence Toyota's involvement was anything beyond engine supplier.

Exactly Mike. In fact, any Toyota involvement outside of engine supply has been vehemently denied.

Simmi · 22 Apr 2011, 12:38 (Ref:2868118)

They can't blame people for speculating though. Especially when they go to lengths to disguise their involvement with the TMG tag.

MulsanneMike · 22 Apr 2011, 13:16 (Ref:2868133)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Simmi

They can't blame people for speculating though. Especially when they go to lengths to disguise their involvement with the TMG tag.

Disguise? With the Toyota Motorsports Group tag?

gwyllion · 22 Apr 2011, 13:24 (Ref:2868138)

The general audience does not know what this abbrevation stands for. It would be much more clear if there was Toyota in big letters on the engine cover or the rear wing.

CTD · 22 Apr 2011, 13:35 (Ref:2868141)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Simmi

They can't blame people for speculating though. Especially when they go to lengths to disguise their involvement with the TMG tag.

Quote:

Originally Posted by gwyllion

The general audience does not know what this abbrevation stands for. It would be much more clear if there was Toyota in big letters on the engine cover or the rear wing.

If Toyota wanted nothing to do with (or hide) this project nothing would stand there.
If Toyota wanted this to represent them, they would either chose a huge sticker on the car, or a smaller one, kinda like engine manufactures normally has.

With the TMG sticker it's kinda a midway of the two, and can at max, be seen as an toe in the water for a possible future project.

JAG · 22 Apr 2011, 13:38 (Ref:2868142)

I was under the impression Rebellion went looking for the engine deal when in fact TMG consulted Lola for a suitable team. Hayden goes onto say they want to develop into a Toyota factory supported outfit in the manner of Joest Audi.

Did TMG run KERS in F1, Hayden says they are looking into this area too.

gwyllion · 22 Apr 2011, 14:19 (Ref:2868158)

I believe that Toyota developed a KERS solution for the TF109, but they never race with it. In the off season between 2008 and 2009 Toyota was quite vocal that the F1 KERS rules were unrelevant for hybrid road cars.

According to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kinetic...covery_Systems Ferrari, Renault, BMW, and McLaren started the 2009 season with KERS, but BMW and Renault stopped using it during the season.

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