[BTCC] BTCC 2020 season discussion, News and Rumours!

[S griffin]

He managed to take a drivers title, so you have to say he did get something in return

[crmalcolm]

Originally Posted by porsche962fan

so once a 6 car team now just 1 entry and even that isn't fully his anymore

6 car?

[S griffin]

Obviously he’s including the two 888 cars too

[crmalcolm]

Originally Posted by S griffin

Obviously he’s including the two 888 cars too

Well - obviously not obvious or it wouldn't have been queried.
But - thanks for clarifying.

2017 season then, which was more about snapping up a failing team as opposed to a full expansion. IIRC that was the start of the end for the Plato relationship, not helped by AT-S being around the garage I think.

Definitely a story that could form a mini-series if the behind closed doors events were to ever be made fully public.

[porsche962fan]

2017 6

2018 3

2019 2

2020 1 entry and even that isn't fully theirs


so you see a constant decline in numbers and results

[medius]

Originally Posted by bella

his company are still working on the moffat/sutton cars, are they not?

No that's Bob Moffat Racing not Buntingford Motor Racing Racing Ltd. I think.

[HarryBrown]

Originally Posted by mark_l

Perfect excuse for some night races.

Mr Gow talked about this as a possibility on TTT

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[Craner Curves]

Originally Posted by crmalcolm

Well - obviously not obvious or it wouldn't have been queried.
But - thanks for clarifying.

2017 season then, which was more about snapping up a failing team as opposed to a full expansion. IIRC that was the start of the end for the Plato relationship, not helped by AT-S being around the garage I think.

Definitely a story that could form a mini-series if the behind closed doors events were to ever be made fully public.

They effectively had 8 cars running from the farm in 2016 if you include BKR in the Volkswagens.

They appear to exist now just as the mechanic team on Suttons car and they built both of the chassis up.

[crmalcolm]

Originally Posted by Craner Curves

They effectively had 8 cars running from the farm in 2016 if you include BKR in the Volkswagens.

They appear to exist now just as the mechanic team on Suttons car and they built both of the chassis up.

If you have a driver who is used to every resource being focused on their car, and the team are spreading resources over 8 cars, is it surprising things go south?

[billy bleach]

Originally Posted by crmalcolm

Well - obviously not obvious or it wouldn't have been queried.
But - thanks for clarifying.

2017 season then, which was more about snapping up a failing team as opposed to a full expansion. IIRC that was the start of the end for the Plato relationship, not helped by AT-S being around the garage I think.

Definitely a story that could form a mini-series if the behind closed doors events were to ever be made fully public.

So the pooeyness still prevails in these testing times ......oh dear

[bella]

Originally Posted by medius

No that's Bob Moffat Racing not Buntingford Motor Racing Racing Ltd. I think.

ash sutton’s been tagging bmr engineering services on instagram and they have the car on the account. i think they’re mentioned in an autosport article recently too in connection with the cars.

[crmalcolm]

Originally Posted by billy bleach

So the pooeyness still prevails in these testing times

???

[S griffin]

Maybe BMR tried to stretch themselves too much, but they got a manufacturer's deal and turned the car into a winner and got a driver's title out of it. So it deserves credit for that

[billy bleach]

Originally Posted by crmalcolm

???

"Well - obviously not obvious or it wouldn't have been queried.
But - thanks for clarifying"

Really?.....

[crmalcolm]

Originally Posted by billy bleach

"Well - obviously not obvious or it wouldn't have been queried.
But - thanks for clarifying"

Really?.....

Still not sure what you're implying with the term 'pooeyness'?

I queried the figure of 6, having only ever known a maximum of 4 cars entered by BMR simultaneously.

The response claimed it was obvious, which I suggested it isn't, otherwise I wouldn't have queried. I also gave my gratitude for the clarification.

For some reason your cage has been rattled by this, to the extent that you high horse your way into it, yet yours is actually the first post on the subject that provocates.

[Alfisti]

...but to summarise BMR: Overly ambitious and resources spread far too thinly. I appreciate #HARD has less resource per car than many, but they also offer by far the lowest cost entry point to the series. The deals put together to bring Subaru, Silverline and Flux onboard were an awful lot of hard work by JP (and others). Not much return for his efforts, and an owner that outwardly didn't give a toss from early 2017.

That's how I see it.

[crmalcolm]

Originally Posted by Alfisti

...but to summarise BMR: Overly ambitious and resources spread far too thinly. I appreciate #HARD has less resource per car than many, but they also offer by far the lowest cost entry point to the series. The deals put together to bring Subaru, Silverline and Flux onboard were an awful lot of hard work by JP (and others). Not much return for his efforts, and an owner that outwardly didn't give a toss from early 2017.

That's how I see it.

I tend to agree. Resources spread too thin to operate in a manner that JP is accustomed to.

It seems a long way removed from being a Williams, or Nothern South driver....

[antnee]

Originally Posted by crmalcolm

Still not sure what you're implying with the term 'pooeyness'?

I queried the figure of 6, having only ever known a maximum of 4 cars entered by BMR simultaneously.

The response claimed it was obvious, which I suggested it isn't, otherwise I wouldn't have queried. I also gave my gratitude for the clarification.

For some reason your cage has been rattled by this, to the extent that you high horse your way into it, yet yours is actually the first post on the subject that provocates.

It is getting very tedious how you have to respond to every post pulling every detail apart. Just chill out.

[crmalcolm]

If people are going to take their own interpretation of what I wrote, in order to try and score points, do I not have the right to clarify what I meant?

Trying to stay chilled, but with the amount of virtue signallers around at the moment, it gets difficult.

Please don't try and moderate if that is not your position.

If asking for clarification on a point or elaborating on what I have posted myself is seen as pulling things apart - unfortunately that is how I engage.

I am merely looking for, and trying to express, full clarity of what is posted, not to cause upset.

Have you never asked for clarity on something, or challenged what is posted if your opinion differs?
Is there a cap on how many times this can be done that I'm not aware of?

[mj088]

Originally Posted by crmalcolm

Still not sure what you're implying with the term 'pooeyness'?

I queried the figure of 6, having only ever known a maximum of 4 cars entered by BMR simultaneously.

The response claimed it was obvious, which I suggested it isn't, otherwise I wouldn't have queried. I also gave my gratitude for the clarification.

For some reason your cage has been rattled by this, to the extent that you high horse your way into it, yet yours is actually the first post on the subject that provocates.

Strange that, you seemed to have perfect knowledge of BMR running the 888 cars before...

https://tentenths.com/forum/showthre...1&#post3784881
"Are we beginning to see an era of 'stables'?
BMR/888 stable,"

https://tentenths.com/forum/showthre...6&#post3779936
"888 is now part of BMR."

https://tentenths.com/forum/showpost...8&postcount=97
Currently being ran as Warren Scott's 'B' team, so I wouldn't expect them to be permitted to challenge BMR seriously.

https://tentenths.com/forum/showpost...&postcount=220
"If Subaru are invested in a 4-car entry, and there are reducing MG chassis', then could 888 become the junior team?"

https://tentenths.com/forum/showpost...5&postcount=83
"Across their six cars BMR/888 are stating that they are running two chassis' that are below optimal. The incomplete MG6 seems to suggest that they have not budgeted for a replacement."


I suppose when your main focus is to dominate threads in such a way that puts people off bothering to post, eventually you forget what you know yourself

[Alfisti]

...maybe, just maybe, Mr Malcolm has a memory like mine. Or has other things on his mind.

I'd forgotten the VWs were run out of the farm that year for Here One Minute Gone The Next Racing!

(Edit)

You're on about the woefully badly prepared MGs.

Was it eight cars at the farm or was it BKR one year and 888 the next?

[crmalcolm]

Originally Posted by mj088

Strange that, you seemed to have perfect knowledge of BMR running the 888 cars before...

https://tentenths.com/forum/showthre...1&#post3784881
"Are we beginning to see an era of 'stables'?
BMR/888 stable,"

https://tentenths.com/forum/showthre...6&#post3779936
"888 is now part of BMR."

https://tentenths.com/forum/showpost...8&postcount=97
Currently being ran as Warren Scott's 'B' team, so I wouldn't expect them to be permitted to challenge BMR seriously.

https://tentenths.com/forum/showpost...&postcount=220
"If Subaru are invested in a 4-car entry, and there are reducing MG chassis', then could 888 become the junior team?"

https://tentenths.com/forum/showpost...5&postcount=83
"Across their six cars BMR/888 are stating that they are running two chassis' that are below optimal. The incomplete MG6 seems to suggest that they have not budgeted for a replacement."


I suppose when your main focus is to dominate threads in such a way that puts people off bothering to post, eventually you forget what you know yourself

I did know that BMR were running the 888 cars, and that they were 'combined' financially at the time. Thanks for going back through my posts to remind me.

It was a simple case of, at the time of running 6 cars was posted, my recollection was that they were being run separately. Is it wrong for someone to request clarification of something that didn't immediately spring to mind?

Once I was kindly reminded by S Griffin, I had thought I made it clear that I now recalled the 2017 situation, and actually posted a discussion point on this.

So why continue to attack the request for clarification I made?

[Pdh]

The thing I don’t get is why is everyone so interested in Warren Scott’s and BMR’s financial situation, it won’t of been the first team and owner to be like this and probably won’t be the last

[crmalcolm]

BMR and HARD are interesting teams to compare in recent history.

One of them seems to have been boom and bust, picked up a championship along the way and now appears to exist in name only as part of the Moffats' package.

The other has been criticised for being under prepared, over ambitious and having a 'revolving door'. They've never challenged for titles, or regularly been at the sharp end, but still run a 4-car garage and have involvement with other series, and as far as I can tell, have a future in the series.

[MagicBoy]

Originally Posted by antnee

It is getting very tedious how you have to respond to every post pulling every detail apart. Just chill out.

Agreed.

Most times a post is just a post, not a personal attack itching to be deconstructed in pursuit of internet points.