Rules Future Rule Changes - Page 23

chillibowl · 27 Jun 2014, 13:16 (Ref:3427144)

So once fp3 starts teams are only allowed what...some minor wing adjustments etc.

Semantics really if it's the start of the session or once they leave pitlane (although the latter would be more sensible if one can use that word here).

so why bother with the session at all?

Great for people watching tv but another loss for those willing to attend in person.

wnut · 27 Jun 2014, 14:09 (Ref:3427162)

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Originally Posted by VIVA GT

I like the thinking here but feel it would be somewhat problematical stopping a car that's spun and therefore travelling backwards!

I was thinking possibly some sort of electric clutch similar to an airconditioning unit on a road car rather than a simple ratchet.

Banned as usual! Bugger!

Pingguest · 27 Jun 2014, 15:29 (Ref:3427186)

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Originally Posted by 321Go

No. Cars will be in parc fermé from the start of FP3. Doesn't matter if the car leaves pit lane or not during FP3. The start of FP3 is when the lights go green at session start.

"The current restrictions to the parc fermé will now apply from the start of P3 instead of the start of qualifying."

I wonder this would indeed be the case. Under the current regime the cars are deemed to be in parc fermé from the first time they leave the pit lane; the rulebook is very clear in that respect.

fourWheelDrift · 27 Jun 2014, 16:01 (Ref:3427201)

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Originally Posted by wnut

I was thinking possibly some sort of electric clutch similar to an airconditioning unit on a road car rather than a simple ratchet.

Banned as usual! Bugger!

At first sight this is completely bizarre but after thinking about it, it does make a certain amount of sense, it takes energy to spin the disc up as the car accelerates, energy that could otherwise accelerate the car. If you let the disc "freewheel" and not spin up until you needed to brake at first you could slow the car without using the callipers at all just by transferring the energy into the disc by progressively engaging the clutch, then once the disc and wheel are locked together you brake in the normal way finally releasing the clutch so that the disc does not spin up as you accelerate away. Either hellishly difficult or completely impossible to actually implement though, and certainly not something that could be controlled directly by the driver.

Mike Harte · 27 Jun 2014, 16:31 (Ref:3427218)

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Originally Posted by fourWheelDrift

At first sight this is completely bizarre...........

............. Either hellishly difficult or completely impossible to actually implement though, and certainly not something that could be controlled directly by the driver.

But then it is already banned as it is without doubt a driver aid, and there is a specific rule/regulation about them.

dsg · 29 Jun 2014, 08:59 (Ref:3427753)

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Originally Posted by grantp

Might it be something to do with energy recovery systems?

I was thinking the same but this coupled with the earlier suggestion of anti-lock brakes would be an interesting idea.

codename_47 · 29 Jun 2014, 12:35 (Ref:3427816)

I'm actually more gutted about the ban on tyre warmers as that's something that would've added genuine excitement to races and would've completely shook up tyre strategy as you'd have to not only calculate not only time lost in pit lane but time lost bringing tyres up to speed, which wouldn't be an absolute as some drivers would be better at it than others...

But of course, this is F1, lets keep the stuff that hurts racing and add wacky proposals to spice it up.
Tyre Warmers kept, ground effect banned, pit lane kept open under yellows etc etc
Instead we'll have to add DRS, KERS, standing restarts and double points because that's what the fans want eh?

Teretonga · 29 Jun 2014, 17:23 (Ref:3427976)

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Originally Posted by codename_47

I'm actually more gutted about the ban on tyre warmers as that's something that would've added genuine excitement to races and would've completely shook up tyre strategy as you'd have to not only calculate not only time lost in pit lane but time lost bringing tyres up to speed, which wouldn't be an absolute as some drivers would be better at it than others...

But of course, this is F1, lets keep the stuff that hurts racing and add wacky proposals to spice it up.
Tyre Warmers kept, ground effect banned, pit lane kept open under yellows etc etc
Instead we'll have to add DRS, KERS, standing restarts and double points because that's what the fans want eh?

Shaking things up?
You will notice that the influence of the teams in the strategy formation group is actually tending toward little or no real change in any area that affects the performance order.

This is because the established teams don't want any change that affects their position and the strategy group has simply become a way for the dominant teams to protect their self interest, not what is in the best interests of F1 sport or allowing changes that enable the lesser teams to compete on a more equal footing.

And people wonder why F1 seems in danger of imploding....

**Peter Mallett** · 29 Jun 2014, 18:14 (Ref:3428024)

IMO it already has imploded.

S griffin · 29 Jun 2014, 18:43 (Ref:3428041)

It seems that the Monty Python Revival is touring all round the world from Australia to Abu Dhabi. It seems the Grand Prix Circus has become the Flying Circus

wnut · 30 Jun 2014, 00:55 (Ref:3428303)

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Originally Posted by Teretonga

Shaking things up?
You will notice that the influence of the teams in the strategy formation group is actually tending toward little or no real change in any area that affects the performance order.

This is because the established teams don't want any change that affects their position and the strategy group has simply become a way for the dominant teams to protect their self interest, not what is in the best interests of F1 sport or allowing changes that enable the lesser teams to compete on a more equal footing.

And people wonder why F1 seems in danger of imploding....

Plus 1

Their biggest fear seems to be that actual racing will break out!

Speaking of which:

"Honestly, it is a joke," the Austrian told The Mirror. "The public leaves us because we are not racers any more." Lauda

from

http://www.f1reader.com/news/lauda-f...-a-joke-100937

**bjohnsonsmith** · 30 Jun 2014, 01:26 (Ref:3428317)

RE: Standing Restards, This is worth reading.

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/114664

wnut · 30 Jun 2014, 01:33 (Ref:3428322)

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Originally Posted by bjohnsonsmith

RE: Standing Restards, This is worth reading.

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/114664

I have run out of my free views, I can't think of much I wish to know about them though.
This sport; which I have ardently followed since 1967; is teetering on the brink of falling off my personal radar! It is a sickness, and I am really beginning to lose patience with it!

**bjohnsonsmith** · 30 Jun 2014, 01:46 (Ref:3428329)

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Originally Posted by wnut

I have run out of my free views, I can't think of much I wish to know about them though.
This sport; which I have ardently followed since 1967; is teetering on the brink of falling off my personal radar! It is a sickness, and I am really beginning to lose patience with it!

You can always clear the cashe on your browser, wnut.

Well I haven't followed F1 as long as you have, 1971 for me but yes it's Formula 1 Jim but not as we know it.

wnut · 30 Jun 2014, 10:02 (Ref:3428505)

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Originally Posted by bjohnsonsmith

You can always clear the cashe on your browser, wnut.

Well I haven't followed F1 as long as you have, 1971 for me but yes it's Formula 1 Jim but not as we know it.

I did, only after your prompt .. DUH!

Still no luck though ....

wnut · 30 Jun 2014, 10:06 (Ref:3428508)

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Originally Posted by S griffin

It seems that the Monty Python Revival is touring all round the world from Australia to Abu Dhabi. It seems the Grand Prix Circus has become the Flying Circus

Sadly a devastatingly accurate analogy!

321Go · 30 Jun 2014, 10:20 (Ref:3428512)

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Originally Posted by wnut

I did, only after your prompt .. DUH!

Still no luck though ....

Try clearing the cache instead. Clearing the cashe is never a good idea.

wdave0 · 30 Jun 2014, 11:27 (Ref:3428535)

Seems to me banning tire warmers and adding standing restarts will both increase danger. Look how common out lap crashes are in non-warmer series (Indy, sports cars) and also how common crashes are in standing starts and then add the extra pressure of a late race restart with less laps to recover. NASCAR has shown that their fans love crashes but is that the case with F1?
I started following in the early 60's an until fairly recently it was pretty pure racing with occasional processional seasons but now the gimmicks are multiplying and it's getting to be more of a game than a race.

JacobP · 30 Jun 2014, 12:03 (Ref:3428542)

I am not a technical specialist, but I do try to follow all the F1 news. And it really puzzled me since the first time I heard about ban on the tire warmers, often discussed as one of the new rules to reduce the costs of F1. This really puzzles me. How much money can be saved by not using tire warmers? It's not like this is some kind of new and expensive technology. The tire warmers are probably a spec, well understood device that's probably built in one place for most teams.

To me it seems like the FIA is pushing some new rules just to create visibility of doing work on reducing the costs, while in reality doing nothing.

Paradise City · 30 Jun 2014, 13:57 (Ref:3428591)

I don't have a problem with standing starts after a yellow. It's a bit odd but it's not something that fazes me either.

But did I ever mention that I HATE DRS?

Well I do!

wnut · 1 Jul 2014, 01:41 (Ref:3428820)

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Originally Posted by Paradise City

I don't have a problem with standing starts after a yellow. It's a bit odd but it's not something that fazes me either.

But did I ever mention that I HATE DRS?

Well I do!

Well I hate wings and aero downforce generating devices!

So join the queue!

Oh and KERS and batteries - what a load of ...

Oh and ....

**bjohnsonsmith** · 1 Jul 2014, 02:48 (Ref:3428832)

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Originally Posted by wnut

Well I hate wings and aero downforce generating devices!

So join the queue!

Oh and KERS and batteries - what a load of ...

Oh and ....

Here's a Lotus 49B for you.

wnut · 1 Jul 2014, 02:59 (Ref:3428835)

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Originally Posted by bjohnsonsmith

Here's a Lotus 49B for you.

Ta BJ!

"We do not suspect anything against the regulations," team boss Toto Wolff told the Austrian magazine Sportwoche a week ago, "especially as the wings were removed from the car."

from

http://www.grandprix.com/ns/ns28342.html

Would have loved to see this, should have been a bit lively what!

wnut · 1 Jul 2014, 03:22 (Ref:3428838)

http://www.grandprix.com/ns/ns28340.html

FIA approves grid restarts.

Worser and worser!

MagVanisher · 1 Jul 2014, 04:41 (Ref:3428848)

Yeah, and they might approve random yellow flags for "closer" racing just like NASCAR!

You know what, F1 and NASCAR should duke it out until they're all destroyed!

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