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27 Jul 2021, 20:59 (Ref:4063474) | #551 | |
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I doubt it, Red Bull have at least achieved a lot of success. Rich Energy are just a bunch of chancers who have done nothing special and are completely unrecognisable outside of racing. So Red Bull have at least some standards
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Slipping fast now in many people's estimation though....
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28 Jul 2021, 00:21 (Ref:4063496) | #553 | ||
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28 Jul 2021, 00:42 (Ref:4063499) | #555 | |
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Also the same max that has been told more than once to go ahead and use more of the "track" since hamilton was getting away with all race... until race control finally started policing it once max began doing it....
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Portugul last year twice, pushing hamilton off at Imola this year, even horner admitted if hamilton hadnt jumped out of the way in Barcelona theyd have ended up in the fence. The way hes been blocking drivers and throwing it up the inside has been borderline...its required complience from other drivers to jump out of the way to avoid accidents. I suspect if those drivers werent so complient, Maxs licence wouldnt be looking so rosey... for contrast, Lando is one penalty away from a race ban, noone would consider him to be a dirty driver or on the edge...licence points dont paint the full picture. |
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28 Jul 2021, 07:42 (Ref:4063523) | #557 | |
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I think maybe some are a bit harsh about Verstappen, he doesn't get involved in that many incidents, although he's been close a few times. I'd say what happened at Imola was 50/50. He did get a bit too close in Barcelona I admit, again it was a tough one to call
I think he has improved in some ways and is getting better with racecraft, that's how he's kept his licence clean However I agree it's ridiculous how Lando is one penalty away from a race ban for minor incidents. Something not right with the penalty points there |
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I was just agreeing with the sentiment above from others that he is 'on the edge' in his driving, and the fact he hasnt had more incidents is often down to others having the common sense to back out. |
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28 Jul 2021, 11:21 (Ref:4063575) | #559 | ||
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And yet Hamilton's incident rate in the past 18 months has increased...
Senility? Funny how Max not getting involved in many incidents is all down to how good the other drivers are... but nothing to do with Max himself of course. |
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Of course Max is an amazing talent, but that doesnt mean he isnt boarderline in his driving which requires drivers to be complient with him. If every driver drove in the same uncompromising way, there would be quite a few more accidents i suspect. Why is it that these days things have to be black/ white, right/ wrong and that conversations get twisted into ALL or nothing arguments.... ...there is a grey area in between where it can be a combination of factors. |
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The oddity of this is that no collision usually means no penalty. Maybe if other drivers had held their ground more in recent races and seasons, there would have been more collisions and more points - for Verstappen and for others. Perhaps the setting of such boundaries would also have given Red Bull and Verstappen a better sense of when to fight for every corner and when to be patient. And less of the blind outrage when someone doesn’t back down. |
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Hamilton currently has 4 points - 2 for causing a collision, and 2 for entering the pit lane while closed. In the past 18 months, the only other points for a collision were at the 2020 Austrian GP for causing a collision with Albon. The current penalty points system was introduced in 2014. Since that time, Max is join highest in terms of points received (21 along with Romain Grosjean). Lewis has received 12 points in that time. Max has received 8 points for causing a collision in his time in F1, Lewis 6. So yes, I will readily agree with the statement that Lewis has picked up more penalty points than Max in the last 18 months for causing a collision. That total in the last 18 months stands at 4, of which 2 of them have expired. However I still think there is merit in the argument that Max's driving style meant that he picked up a lot of points early in his career, and other drivers now react around him in a different manner. Being awarded the most penalty points in a season once could be seen as a solitary issue, but being awarded the most twice suggests a consistent pattern. One thing I also found interesting (in terms of what is tolerated within a team from their drivers) is that fact that since the penalty points system was introduced, the most points in a season have been awarded to Red Bull drivers 4 times in 7 seasons. |
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28 Jul 2021, 12:21 (Ref:4063583) | #563 | ||
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^^ that’s a very interesting factoid.
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28 Jul 2021, 15:47 (Ref:4063616) | #564 | |
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Of course the penalty points system doesn’t tell the full story, but it’s interesting reading nonetheless
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Interesting discussion
Wonder how many experts on here have driven a single seater round Copse or whatever number the corner is in new speak. One of those electronic toys does not count. It’s all nonsense but viewer figures may well hold up against Olympics because of it! That what Eff 1 wants |
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Are we to deduce RB are weak in that area?
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He was under steering and missing the apex... meaning he had no right to be there as "his" corner. Quote:
How much more space than 1.5 car width did he need, as a champion driver? If that speed was too high, sounds like you're seeing who was at fault... |
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29 Jul 2021, 04:58 (Ref:4063701) | #574 | ||
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Please be friday afternoon
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I think I might change my avatar flag to Switzerland.
That should confuse everyone considering Buemi hasn't been in F1 since 2011. |
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