WEC Race 2016 WEC Round 2: Spa - Page 25

carbon_titanium · 7 May 2016, 19:10 (Ref:3639887)

that was the LMS/ALMS/ILMC/WEC/whatever most insane race I've watched so far! even 2011 or 2014 le mans have been less unpredictable! the drama and thrill of a whole season, packed in 6 hours.

This year le mans will be epic! also because could be possible to see rebellion or a lmp2 finish in top5 or podium.
Audi won the race with the slowest car among the 6 work lmp1, but the only one that didn't suffer any reliability issue. I guess that, because of more restrictive fuel regs, audi and porsche focused on a ever more extreme approach than 2015 about hybrid, chassis design and aero and... both 919 suffered severe hybrid reliability issues, while audi #7 broke the floor + unluck and bad driving; surely VAG realised that this is the worst season to pick up just 2 cars at le mans. Toyota was huge, I was the first that didn't trust them a lot, but after a bad start, they got a great pace showning to be much better than audi's and #5 was competitive enough to fight against 919 #1. Such a shame their day finished like that... hope their hybrid and ICE will find some reliability for le mans or will be another wasted season considering that their best car stands just with 1 point, and like 919 #1, their season will be gone for good without 50 points scored at le mans.

This year lmp2 is a real deal, the best class of the whole champ! with g-drive, both manor and the not chinese alpine oreca 05 as competive as derani and the mexican ligier! it's great also to watch so very different concept cars (extreme downforce for ligier, extreme low drag design for oreca05) fight restless for the win. Great move of lapierre in the last minutes, but derani deserves a work seat as soon as possible.

About gt, AF Corse surely will get a very easy season... AMR, ford and the semi backed proton porsche simply can't stand against. Maybe bruni should give a call to john constantine and try to exorcise the #51 box! it's a whole year that #51 suffers of all kind of trouble and issues.

At the end, don't know how much reliability will affect lmp1 race at le mans, but I just don't care! this year the big show will be the manufacturers showdown in gt-pro.

justracing · 7 May 2016, 19:18 (Ref:3639892)

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Originally Posted by gert

Alright. Didn't realize that. What a stupid decision from them.
They could have easily showed that part after the finish in Spa, no?

Definitely, someone needs a rocket up their ar.e!

JHamilton · 7 May 2016, 19:22 (Ref:3639893)

That was a weird race.

TF110 · 7 May 2016, 19:30 (Ref:3639896)

At least Toyota have serious pace. That much was shown. No one seems immune from reliability. Hopefully these issues will be resolved by LM and we get a real 3-way battle. Great strategy to wait just before the #8 finishes to send out the #5. 12 point saved from nothing.

Acid09 · 7 May 2016, 19:32 (Ref:3639899)

I can't remember things being that uncertain going into Le Mans for many years, there's no clear favorite emerging.

None of the three are nowhere near bullet-proof. Speed-wise, Porsche probably has a slight advantage over Toyota and then Audi. But none of this matters if the cars keep falling apart like that.

Add the fact that no one has a third car to fall back on and Le Mans could quickly become all about pure survival. Wouldn't be surprising to see even this year's winner having spent a considerable time in the pits for repairs.

MyNameIsNigel · 7 May 2016, 19:35 (Ref:3639901)

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Originally Posted by TF110

At least Toyota have serious pace. That much was shown. No one seems immune from reliability. Hopefully these issues will be resolved by LM and we get a real 3-way battle. Great strategy to wait just before the #8 finishes to send out the #5. 12 point saved from nothing.

BTW, what has been said about the reasons behind the relevant failures ? The #5 car evidently had issues with the engine (turbo defect ?) and I read that the #6 car suffered from electronic issues.

Victor_RO · 7 May 2016, 19:36 (Ref:3639903)

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Originally Posted by Acid09

Wouldn't be surprising to see even this year's winner having spent a considerable time in the pits for repairs.

Last year the winning car spent 34m15s in the pits overall. Least time in the pits was by the #17 at 29m42s. These are the figures we'll have to keep in mind at Le Mans...

... and I wouldn't be surprised if all P1-H cars spend more than double that time in the pits. Each.

airbusA346 · 7 May 2016, 20:07 (Ref:3639908)

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Originally Posted by Articus

Aside from the frantic P2 battle. The performance of the Ford in that sequence of corners was stunning. Gives up nothing to the P2 cars. Makes you wonder where all the lap time dissapears to.

Sandbagging, so they don't get BOP'd for LM.

gustavobamba · 7 May 2016, 20:32 (Ref:3639913)

It won´t be the faster car to win Le Mans this year .... it will be the one who spend less time in the pit´s!!!!!!

carbon_titanium · 7 May 2016, 20:40 (Ref:3639914)

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Originally Posted by Victor_RO

Last year the winning car spent 34m15s in the pits overall. Least time in the pits was by the #17 at 29m42s. These are the figures we'll have to keep in mind at Le Mans...

... and I wouldn't be surprised if all P1-H cars spend more than double that time in the pits. Each.

yes, that's true, but don't know if you remember, during the early sunday afternoon full yellow caution after dalla lana crash, porsche #19 went to pit, refueled and then spent some minutes inside the boxes for a transmission/rear bodywork check while the other cars behind were running slow.
Then, the car was released from boxes just in time to catch the safety car that was going to pass by, without wasting time waiting in the pit-lane.

Last year at le mans the only 919 that had some serious issue was the black #18. This year things will change for sure. Porsche seems to be still the most competitive (without hybrid issues, surely both 919 would have been uncatchable for toyotas) but seriously you have a really big problem if hybrid fails in less than 30 minutes...

carbon_titanium · 7 May 2016, 20:47 (Ref:3639915)

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Originally Posted by gustavobamba

It won´t be the faster car to win Le Mans this year .... it will be the one who spend less time in the pit´s!!!!!!

as has always been

but this time could be different... le mans is 13km long, what if toyota's turbo fails like today but just after the tetre rouge?

gustavobamba · 7 May 2016, 20:53 (Ref:3639916)

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Originally Posted by carbon_titanium

as has always been

but this time could be different... le mans is 13km long, what if toyota's turbo fails like today but just after the tetre rouge?

No, no ,no not always... but you get my point

JoeW04 · 7 May 2016, 21:05 (Ref:3639921)

Enjoyed the race today, more like an endurance race of old with the reliability woes unlike the sprints we've come accustomed to! & an lmp2 will finish on the podium at Le Mans

Deleted · 7 May 2016, 21:08 (Ref:3639923)

Eye opening. It was like a race from 1996 or something. Breaks and drama and breaks and emotion and crashes and breaks and questionable decisions. Le Mans will be amazing.

At this rate Rebellion would start dominating Manufacturers World Championship if they allowed them there. Too bad they don't.

seanyb505 · 7 May 2016, 21:12 (Ref:3639927)

Really had fun watching this race. Went by too quickly.

ederss7 · 7 May 2016, 22:08 (Ref:3639939)

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Originally Posted by MyNameIsNigel

BTW, what has been said about the reasons behind the relevant failures ? The #5 car evidently had issues with the engine (turbo defect ?) and I read that the #6 car suffered from electronic issues.

Eletronics that damaged the engine. Probably crank sensor?

rich07 · 7 May 2016, 23:13 (Ref:3639950)

That pass for the LMP2 victory was fantastic!

Gutted for Calado and Gimmi Bruni to pit with engine problems with ten minutes to go. That image of Calado sitting in the car head in hands says everything. Good to see the 71 pick up the win though

**skycafe** · 7 May 2016, 23:17 (Ref:3639952)

Wow. I kept up a bit by reading the forum. Have the cars become too loaded with complexity? I kept reading about heat, but also read that it was only about 79F (I am a Yank, so that weird Centigrade stuff wouldn't register with me). Was that the temp?

Lagunaseca_4life · 8 May 2016, 00:50 (Ref:3639958)

What a great,crazy,amazing race that was!drama after drama and it wasn't even Le Mans.and it's also great to see the wec app now has race replay!

chernaudi · 8 May 2016, 01:14 (Ref:3639960)

I'm in favor of the ACO going back to unlimited testing because of their rules making the cars more complex yet giving teams less time to work on them. Same for F1 and their testing restrictions.

In either case, it's not saving the little guys any money, time or any other expense, and the factory teams just spend the money that they're supposedly saving on other stuff.

bobec · 8 May 2016, 02:17 (Ref:3639967)

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Originally Posted by chernaudi

I'm in favor of the ACO going back to unlimited testing because of their rules making the cars more complex yet giving teams less time to work on them. Same for F1 and their testing restrictions.

In either case, it's not saving the little guys any money, time or any other expense, and the factory teams just spend the money that they're supposedly saving on other stuff.

Regulators know better!

http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2016/05/0...f-second-2018/

Can't wait until an engine has to last two seasons.

Deleted · 8 May 2016, 04:46 (Ref:3639984)

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Originally Posted by bobec

Can't wait until an engine has to last two seasons.

And season's testing allocation consists of single collective media meeting in Bahrain, in February.

Spyderman · 8 May 2016, 06:07 (Ref:3639992)

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Originally Posted by chernaudi

I'm in favor of the ACO going back to unlimited testing because of their rules making the cars more complex yet giving teams less time to work on them. Same for F1 and their testing restrictions.

In either case, it's not saving the little guys any money, time or any other expense, and the factory teams just spend the money that they're supposedly saving on other stuff.

+10000000

**Aysedasi** · 8 May 2016, 08:30 (Ref:3640015)

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Originally Posted by Victor_RO

Last year the winning car spent 34m15s in the pits overall. Least time in the pits was by the #17 at 29m42s. These are the figures we'll have to keep in mind at Le Mans...

... and I wouldn't be surprised if all P1-H cars spend more than double that time in the pits. Each.

Think as well about how long the winning car (in fact all the leaders) spent in the pits in 2014 as well..... You change a turbo and still win Le Mans?

**Aysedasi** · 8 May 2016, 08:32 (Ref:3640016)

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Originally Posted by bobec

Can't wait until an engine has to last two seasons.

I hope mine does considrably more than that......

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