Motorsport Quiz

[Greem]

OK, so here's the answer. Ignoring Lotterer, because I'm dumb and didn't look past the mid teens, they were all multiple champions in other disciplines who had done at least one F1 test but never raced in F1:

Tom Kristensen - multiple Le Mans 24 Hour wins, WEC champion, ALMS champion
Dario Franchitti - multiple IndyCar champion, 3 time Indy 500 winner
Sebastien Loeb - multiple WRC champion
Valentino Rossi - multiple MotoGP champion
Andre Lotterer - triple Le Mans 24 Hour winner, 2012 WEC champion
Al Unser Jr - twice CART champion, 1982 Can-Am Champion, twice Indy 500 winner

They weren't all the most winning in their categories, but as some of them were I think Bob (rbs) was pretty close, so over to you!

[chunterer]

Originally Posted by Greem

OK, so here's the answer. Ignoring Lotterer, because I'm dumb and didn't look past the mid teens, they were all multiple champions in other disciplines who had done at least one F1 test but never raced in F1:

Tom Kristensen - multiple Le Mans 24 Hour wins, WEC champion, ALMS champion
Dario Franchitti - multiple IndyCar champion, 3 time Indy 500 winner
Sebastien Loeb - multiple WRC champion
Valentino Rossi - multiple MotoGP champion
Andre Lotterer - triple Le Mans 24 Hour winner, 2012 WEC champion
Al Unser Jr - twice CART champion, 1982 Can-Am Champion, twice Indy 500 winner

They weren't all the most winning in their categories, but as some of them were I think Bob (rbs) was pretty close, so over to you!

Thanks for this, a quite staggering amount of success amongst those guys!!

[rbs]

OK, thanks Graeme, try this one.

Who is the only driver of Cherokee descent to take part in the World Drivers Championship and what did he drive?

[Greem]

Originally Posted by rbs

OK, thanks Graeme, try this one.

Who is the only driver of Cherokee descent to take part in the World Drivers Championship and what did he drive?

You would pick one I genuinely know the answer to! I never knew the car existed before I started marshalling and then there were two glorious versions at a Donington meeting. They really stood out from the crowd.

In view of that I'll let others have a crack.

[rbs]

You are correct with the car, I was at the same meeting, they have bee fairly regular recently though.

[crmalcolm]

Originally Posted by rbs

Who is the only driver of Cherokee descent to take part in the World Drivers Championship and what did he drive?

The “Raging Cherokee”

[rbs]

CRM, you have thrown me here, I had never seen him named as 2The Raging Cherokee" before, being born in New York I had not considered him as a Cherokee.

It was not who I was thinking of but I will be doing some research here, I had seen the person I am looking for as "The Only" in the past and it was in an article that told m he also appeared in a few episode of CHIPS the TV programme with his Thrill Circus.

[crmalcolm]

Originally Posted by rbs

CRM, you have thrown me here, I had never seen him named as 2The Raging Cherokee" before, being born in New York I had not considered him as a Cherokee.

It was not who I was thinking of but I will be doing some research here, I had seen the person I am looking for as "The Only" in the past and it was in an article that told m he also appeared in a few episode of CHIPS the TV programme with his Thrill Circus.

Slight misquote on my part:

<> promoted himself as a full-blooded American Indian. He was referred to as the "Charging Cherokee" and everybody called him "The Chief."

<> laughs about it to this day. While his grandfather was dark skinned and had Indian features, there is no Indian blood in the <> family.

"Back in the day, it was all about promotion," <> said. "He was raised in the Oklahoma-Texas region and he was real tan. Part of his shtick was that he was a full-blooded, Native American."

[BTCC frog]

What links the following drivers?

Stirling Moss
Didier Pironi
Nelson Piquet
Rene Arnoux
Alain Prost
Nigel Mansell
Ayrton Senna

Clue: it is something to do with Monaco.

[Guthrie]

Originally Posted by BTCC frog

What links the following drivers?

Stirling Moss
Didier Pironi
Nelson Piquet
Rene Arnoux
Alain Prost
Nigel Mansell
Ayrton Senna

Clue: it is something to do with Monaco.

Each of them won their first Grand Prix victory at the Monaco Grand Prix.

[S griffin]

Originally Posted by BTCC frog

What links the following drivers?

Stirling Moss
Didier Pironi
Nelson Piquet
Rene Arnoux
Alain Prost
Nigel Mansell
Ayrton Senna

Clue: it is something to do with Monaco.

They all retired from the lead in Monaco

[BTCC frog]

Originally Posted by S griffin

They all retired from the lead in Monaco

You are pretty much there, but why are these drivers on the list, but others who retired from the lead in Monaco such as Schumacher, Alesi, Hill, Clark and Fangio (among others) are not?

[wolfhound]

Originally Posted by BTCC frog

What links the following drivers?

Stirling Moss
Didier Pironi
Nelson Piquet
Rene Arnoux
Alain Prost
Nigel Mansell
Ayrton Senna

Clue: it is something to do with Monaco.

They all spun off or crashed while in the lead at Monaco.

[S griffin]

Yes, Moss crashed in 57 I think, Pironi in 80, Piquet in 81, Prost and Arnoux in 82, Mansell in 84 and Senna in 88

[BTCC frog]

Yes, that is the correct answer. Well done to you both!

[peterelise]

I think you left Brabham off this list. He also crash at the last hairpin on the last lap in 1970 handing the win to Jochen Rindt.

[E.B]

Originally Posted by peterelise

I think you left Brabham off this list. He also crash at the last hairpin on the last lap in 1970 handing the win to Jochen Rindt.

Yes he lost the lead on the final lap but technically he didnt actually crash out of the race. He ran wide and recovered to finish 2nd that year.

[peterelise]

Oh understood, I missed that distinction!

[bauble]

Won the WDC by beating a prior WDC with both in the same car/team?

Juan Manuel Fangio
o 1951 Giuseppe Farina

Alberto Ascari
o 1952 Juan Manuel Fangio ?

Late to the party, but

1951 Fangio Alfa Romeo.
1952 Ascari Ferrari.

Did I not understand the question?

I must be a fool, wandering into the Formula 1 Forum

[BTCC frog]

Originally Posted by bauble

Won the WDC by beating a prior WDC with both in the same car/team?

Juan Manuel Fangio
o 1951 Giuseppe Farina

Alberto Ascari
o 1952 Juan Manuel Fangio ?

Late to the party, but

1951 Fangio Alfa Romeo.
1952 Ascari Ferrari.

Did I not understand the question?

I must be a fool, wandering into the Formula 1 Forum

Richard should have said:

Alberto Ascari
o 1952-1953 Giuseppe Farina

but 'Won the WDC by beating a prior WDC with both in the same car/team' was still the correct answer because I didn't ask for every driver they beat to be named, just the rationale behind the list.

But it was that in 1951, Juan Manuel Fangio won the title when his teammate was a former world champion in Giuseppe Farina.

In 1952 and 1953, Alberto Ascari won the title when his teammate was a former world champion in Giuseppe Farina.

In 1967, Denny Hulme won the title when his teammate was a former world champion in Jack Brabham.

etc.

And anyone is welcome to take the next question although both wolfhound and S Griffin sort of got the last one right.

[Richard C]

This should be super easy. And easily found via Google search. So maybe the wording might make it a tiny bit harder.

What somewhat unique feature of the failed Porsche V12 used for the Arrows team was a throwback to an earlier successful Porsche racing engine?

There might be multiple answers, but there is one I am looking for.

Richard

[crmalcolm]

Originally Posted by Richard C

What somewhat unique feature of the failed Porsche V12 used for the Arrows team was a throwback to an earlier successful Porsche racing engine?

Power taken from the centre?

[Greem]

The crank journals for each cylinder were shared with the cylinder on the opposite side of the V, rather than having one each. This made the crankshaft lighter. Notably though it didn't make the F1 engine any good!

[Richard C]

Originally Posted by crmalcolm

Power taken from the centre?

This is the answer I was looking for. The same was done with the flat 12 917 engine. I believe this was done in the 917 to address crankshaft vibration issues. I am not sure why Mezger did it in the F1 engine. I have Metzger's autobiography, so no doubt the version of why that engine failed has his slant on it, but in the 917 the drop gear was below the crank. In the F1 engine it was above the crank. He says it was to reduce the number of shafts in the gearbox (from three to two) as while they could place the crank lower in the case the output shaft was higher. But you have to wonder if maybe there was a bit of "lets mate two of the prior V6 engines together" thinking going on. But I haven't looked to see if the other aspects of the TAG engine carried over or not.

As to the failure of the engine... It sounds like (from his version of things) that overall they had time and resources pressure, they arrived at a specific design before having a team/partner to work with. Overall it seemed underdeveloped. There were disagreements as to how the weight was to be calculated (with or without "ready to race" accessories) as the Cosworth was the benchmark and lastly, the engine was not significantly overweight in "race ready" form and they were on course to get it down to be on par with the Cosworth (new casting for the case with thinner wall castings as prior vendor couldn't cast as thin as they wanted). Same for lack of power as he felt it could be developed up with new heads they were working on.

Richard

[crmalcolm]

Originally Posted by Richard C

This is the answer I was looking for. The same was done with the flat 12 917 engine. I believe this was done in the 917 to address crankshaft vibration issues. I am not sure why Mezger did it in the F1 engine. I have Metzger's autobiography, so no doubt the version of why that engine failed has his slant on it, but in the 917 the drop gear was below the crank. In the F1 engine it was above the crank. He says it was to reduce the number of shafts in the gearbox (from three to two) as while they could place the crank lower in the case the output shaft was higher. But you have to wonder if maybe there was a bit of "lets mate two of the prior V6 engines together" thinking going on. But I haven't looked to see if the other aspects of the TAG engine carried over or not.

As to the failure of the engine... It sounds like (from his version of things) that overall they had time and resources pressure, they arrived at a specific design before having a team/partner to work with. Overall it seemed underdeveloped. There were disagreements as to how the weight was to be calculated (with or without "ready to race" accessories) as the Cosworth was the benchmark and lastly, the engine was not significantly overweight in "race ready" form and they were on course to get it down to be on par with the Cosworth (new casting for the case with thinner wall castings as prior vendor couldn't cast as thin as they wanted). Same for lack of power as he felt it could be developed up with new heads they were working on.

Richard

I always find it interesting to read what was written without the benefit of hindsight:

https://porschecarshistory.com/porsc...rt-mag-121990/