V8Supercar - Car Of The Future (Merged x4)

[GTRMagic]

Originally Posted by peckstar

the team have won two championships and two bathursts.

which gives them a better strike rate in the last ten years than all teams apart from triple 8 (i rated that record equal to SBR's 3 championships, but thats subjective)

Above the current Ford and Holdens factory teams

seems like the perfect team to get a hold off

No, the press bumpf keeps telling us that Kelly Racing has only been around for 3 years, so we apparently should cut them some slack... cant have it both ways

[peckstar]

doesnt make it true

same franchise owners since 2003

[Pro Racer]

Originally Posted by peckstar

doesnt make it true

same franchise owners since 2003

on that note you could throw Larry's mob's success in there aswell as he still own's the REC's and the engineering arm did branch out from Larry's team.

[peckstar]

Originally Posted by Pro Racer

on that note you could throw Larry's mob's success in there aswell as he still own's the REC's and the engineering arm did branch out from Larry's team.

nah, Larry leases out the rec's to Kelly racing

that is not the same with the two Recs owned by mum and dad

[leothedrummer]

Whilst I don't like the Kelly Brothers or their team, let us not forget that of drivers who do not drive for Triple-8, Rick Kelly had the most wins last year, which I think is a fairly respectable achievement. If Infiniti (or any new manufacturer) jumps on board, I would think they would view winning a couple of races as a success, regardless of their overall points position. (In the first year or two anyway).

[Pro Racer]

Originally Posted by peckstar

nah, Larry leases out the rec's to Kelly racing

that is not the same with the two Recs owned by mum and dad

well technically Larry still enters the REC's and the Kelly's prep his cars because if he leased the REC's to them it would of been the 2 year limit up at the end of 2010.

also as i said the engineering arm of KR branched out of Larry's opperation.

[Timu]

So looks like Nissan will be announcing their involvement in the series as of tommorow!

But which team are they heading to? I've heard a rumour for a while that Nissan was going to go with Triple 8, however the odds have shortened on the Kelly Gang.

[St00ge]

Doesn't Gazza still run a Nissan Dealership???

edit just saw the other thread, and it seems he does..

[GTRMagic]

Originally Posted by St00ge

Doesn't Gazza still run a Nissan Dealership???

edit just saw the other thread, and it seems he does..

No, he doesnt... Nissan bought it back.. Inchcape also took over his Subaru dealership too... the race team used to be at the back of the dealership in an especially built shed. When the car sales businesses were sold off, the race team needed a new home, hence the move to the ex-Gibson Motorsport shed in Dandenong. There is still a Garry Rogers Motors in Pakenham, selling used cars..

[leothedrummer]

Now that Nissan/Infiniti seems to be getting involved, what's the story regarding the COTF and engines? For example, will multi-cams be allowed?

[GTRMagic]

Originally Posted by leothedrummer

Now that Nissan/Infiniti seems to be getting involved, what's the story regarding the COTF and engines? For example, will multi-cams be allowed?

The Nissan Y44 engine is a OHV V8, 16 valve, 4 barrel down draught carb engine produced for the Nissan President and since 1975 used electronic fuel injection. It produced 200 hp (150 kW) @4800 rpm and 343 N·m (253 lb·ft) @3200 rpm.

Thanks Wikipedia

Poifect!

[F J Nedos]

Originally Posted by leothedrummer

Now that Nissan/Infiniti seems to be getting involved, what's the story regarding the COTF and engines? For example, will multi-cams be allowed?

Fords V8 is multi cam ( I think ), youd guess that nissan et al would be too

And from what I am hearing, by 2013 so will holden's v8 (at least road going cars)

So if the race cars still use pushrods, then they wont be representative of the road going product in any way... (I can see the comments coming on that one already...)

[GTRMagic]

Originally Posted by F J Nedos

Fords V8 is multi cam ( I think ), youd guess that nissan et al would be too

And from what I am hearing, by 2013 so will holden's v8 (at least road going cars)

So if the race cars still use pushrods, then they wont be representative of the road going product in any way... (I can see the comments coming on that one already...)

The current Ford V8Supercar engine is OHV... as is Holden's Chev-Aurora...

[F J Nedos]

I guess it would cost a lot to re-engineer DOHC engines for those two then...

Still...

They doing (or done) it on the road going cars.

[MattV]

Originally Posted by F J Nedos

So if the race cars still use pushrods, then they wont be representative of the road going product in any way... (I can see the comments coming on that one already...)

But the headlights will be the same; now where's Stealthy....

[Matt]

Originally Posted by F J Nedos

So if the race cars still use pushrods, then they wont be representative of the road going product in any way... (I can see the comments coming on that one already...)

who cares? if the racing is good it doesn't matter.

[St00ge]

Originally Posted by Matt

who cares? if the racing is good it doesn't matter.

But but but the racing isn't good, just look at all the people complaining on the forum

[Denosaur]

Originally Posted by GTRMagic

No, he doesnt... Nissan bought it back.. Inchcape also took over his Subaru dealership too... the race team used to be at the back of the dealership in an especially built shed. When the car sales businesses were sold off, the race team needed a new home, hence the move to the ex-Gibson Motorsport shed in Dandenong. There is still a Garry Rogers Motors in Pakenham, selling used cars..

GTR, Garry sold off the dealership to another large Melbourne based family of dealerships. And the dealership in Pakenham is run by his brother/sons and all he does is put his name on the front door.

Garry is heavily involved in the horse racing scene, and probably spends a good chunk of his time with his horses than at Dandenong.

[Razor]

http://www.themotorreport.com.au/378...r-door-rumours

Could this be the body frame?

[bluesport]

What's to stop a new manufacturer in COtF from having a body shell that is far more slippery than it's counterparts and therefore having an unbeatable advantage at high speed tracks like Bathurst?

[St00ge]

Originally Posted by bluesport

What's to stop a new manufacturer in COtF from having a body shell that is far more slippery than it's counterparts and therefore having an unbeatable advantage at high speed tracks like Bathurst?

Well I would say before any body shape/aero kit is approved by V8SC they will drag out a Ford, Holden and Nissan car to woomera, fit spec suspension with strain gauges and run a bunch of coast down and downforce tests side by side at certain speeds. Like they have done a few times before.

[Tourer]

Originally Posted by bluesport

What's to stop a new manufacturer in COtF from having a body shell that is far more slippery than it's counterparts and therefore having an unbeatable advantage at high speed tracks like Bathurst?

What's to stop it? The aero testing done as part of the sign off process in the vehicle spec. Been in place for a few years now and so far seems to work pretty well.

Edit: Stooge beat me to it.

[bluesport]

Originally Posted by St00ge

Well I would say before any body shape/aero kit is approved by V8SC they will drag out a Ford, Holden and Nissan car to woomera, fit spec suspension with strain gauges and run a bunch of coast down and downforce tests side by side at certain speeds. Like they have done a few times before.

Has that been said? Wasn't that just to gauge downforce?.........it's interesting, for example, as both the commodore and Falcon are derived from family hacks that have been "sported up" whereas if Nissan decided to use a four door version of the skyline it will have been derived from a sportscar lineage .........don't NASCAR use a template to check the profiles are the same?

[Tourer]

Originally Posted by bluesport

Has that been said? Wasn't that just to gauge downforce?.........it's interesting, for example, as both the commodore and Falcon are derived from family hacks that have been "sported up" whereas if Nissan decided to use a four door version of the skyline it will have been derived from a sportscar lineage .........don't NASCAR use a template to check the profiles are the same?

Sure has been said - the aero testing done covers downforce and drag along with equalising the front and rear downforce numbers, rather than the overall number amongst a range of measurements. Vesa have been using templates to check body profiles along with detailed templates for rear wings and front airdams for over ten years.

[bluesport]

Originally Posted by Tourer

Sure has been said - the aero testing done covers downforce and drag along with equalising the front and rear downforce numbers, rather than the overall number amongst a range of measurements. Vesa have been using templates to check body profiles along with detailed templates for rear wings and front airdams for over ten years.

OK, thanks for that........if the Nissan, after completion is found to have less drag (or more drag) due to the differing body shape, how do they go about rectifying that?