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I not getting the feeling that IMSA & the ACO are heading in the same direction in regards to their top classes in the next set of rules. I could be wrong though.
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Yeah, it was good in the early days of LMP racing, loads of manufacturers, but nobody could touch Audi and they had a clear path to the top. At least Porsche challenged them in ALMS and Peugeot changed the game completely when they entered. Certainly the Audi domination was something else if you look back
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DPi doesn't seem it would work for WEC for the same reason that the previous new regulations did. It's either too far from an actual road car or too spec and low tech for the manufacturers interested. No one really buys into the alleged styling component of DPi except for Mazda, and GM and Honda USA are definitely not looking at factory supported world championship programs. Toyota would definitely not participate in such a formula and they're the only manufacturer the FIA can almost count on. |
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Are you really going to go down that road again?
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1 May 2019, 13:35 (Ref:3900996) | #6658 | |
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Having tech/homologation freeze alone makes anything below LMP1 lower tech. Nonhybrids could theoretically still have new aero and whatever for every race if they wanted. Not to mention freedom of tires, not stupid specs
Anyway I'm in the minority but I still rather see bunch of boring pro-am spec cars racing at Le Mans than straight bop wagons. At least (even when left dissatisfied without engineering factor of P1 now and P2 of yesteryear) I know that the best team won, not whoever got lucky or had the best lawyers or "turn to win" or other question mark |
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1 May 2019, 20:33 (Ref:3901075) | #6659 | ||
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Endurance info says that the rules are ready and they are not Hypercars hybrid. DPI? GTE+?
https://www.endurance-info.com/fr/hy...lhorizon-2020/ |
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1 May 2019, 21:00 (Ref:3901081) | #6662 | |
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Imo, the best bet is to continue with what they have now and let the teams stay with their lmp1's, including Toyota. Open it up a little bit to include new technologies in a few year's time (2023/24) and have them test the waters in G56. The last thing I want is slow cars that back up lmp2 into GTE. That's the direction they were headed in the latest news. 1150kg with less than 700hp is basically 2000's FIA GT1 all over again with the Maserati MC12 being the benchmark. That'd be cool for GTE's future, but not lmp imo.
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2 May 2019, 04:47 (Ref:3901122) | #6663 | |
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Well I think the 3:30 bit is inevitable for 2024 because of Zero Emission tech limitations, even if they were run to the old LMP1 rules to that point. So there will be heavy slowing down regardless. But given what Glickenhaus commented to this thread last week, I don't think P1 is what we're going to get. And if it's not bop hypercars either as per E-I, then I guess it's bop GTE-GT1.
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2 May 2019, 06:23 (Ref:3901127) | #6664 | |
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I'm not so bothered about the 3:30 lap time for LMP1. I'm not happy about it, but I don't think the LMP1 lap time is the biggest problem with the speed reduction. I'm more worried about what they'll have to do to LMP2 and GTE. LMP2 was given a speed boost to stop LMP drivers dive-bombing GTEs. And it worked - we do have less GTE/LMP accidents than we used to. The added boost of hybrids solved it for LMP1, and the added power solved it in LMP2.
To maintain that level of improvement between LMP and GTE, you'll need to dramatically slow other classes. A lot. This LMP1 rebalance has massive knock-on effects to the other classes which are yet to be addressed. That's my biggest issue with the lap times drop. Yeah, it'll be sad not to see lap records and laps below the 3:20 mark again. But the effect this will have on racing is far bigger than raw lap time numbers. |
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They'll never be able to reach the 1000 mile distance at Sebring with the power reduction either, when even now it's theoretical
Also the ACO heads have boasted about lap records being smashed at The Bend, but they'll only have next year to do it until P2 cars are neutered back. If it rains they might never get those headlines Now of course things like these are only minor trivials in the sea of problems of which Akra wrote above, but you know. There was also a time when GT1 cars overlapped LMP2 performances at Le Mans, particularly at Mulsanne, but back in those days there wasn't any proam element to the classes |
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I see. Thanks for the translation. We have got no clearer picture it seems. Still no sign of definite sign of hypercars, we need to enjoy these LMPs while they last though.
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2 May 2019, 10:50 (Ref:3901195) | #6668 | |
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I just wonder when they will finally make an announcement. This thing dragging on and on ain’t helping the series
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2 May 2019, 18:13 (Ref:3901342) | #6670 | |
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Well we all make mistakes. I think they might be trying not to give too much away at this time, unless they haven’t decided as of yet of course
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Re: Toyota thread, apparently there was a press conference yesterday where Neveu said he was impatient with the non-rules, but nothing was revealed. The next "working group" is meeting on May 16.
I guess what Glickenhaus said earlier was a bit premature |
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4 May 2019, 16:52 (Ref:3901821) | #6672 | |
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I don't about hypercars etc. but they should be thinking about next season as well. LMP1 has been dreadful to watch all season and something should be done about it. I didn't watch Sebring and right now I have no interest in even watching LM. There is zero competition at the front of the field. It's a parade.
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4 May 2019, 20:46 (Ref:3901867) | #6673 | |
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Well not enough info about hypercars atm. Certainly LMP1 has been between two cars, but it still has the interest. But not enough manufacturers atm. We need more if it is to survive, so let’s see
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Man, if only ACO, FIA, IMSA, SRO, and even GTA/DTM would sit together and discuss the future of sportscar racing that would be benefit for all of them. Of course, that wouldn't happen realistically.
But you know what, I think they should consider using IMSA's DPI model or even the Class One regulations from Super GT/DTM when making the hypercar regulations, although the former would be cheaper compared to the latter. |
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5 May 2019, 10:15 (Ref:3901939) | #6675 | |
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Maybe they just leave it on the sidelines and don't have the desire to move forward
I like the idea of using IMSA/DPI rules. Not sure about Super GT/Class one rules, although that would go well with the hypercars. But it probably won't happen |
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