The future of Corvette

[Adam Larnach]

Does'nt anyone read Freud these days?

I find it absolutely hilarious that socialist think capitalism "unfairly" distributes the wealth.

[Fogelhund]

Originally Posted by TWK

In the sense of requiring that Freddie and Fannie were required to buy mortgages that did not meet previous standards. That's not exactly "forced<" but it's certainly "enabling."

Oh, there was plenty of enabling, but Freddie and Fannie aren't banks. The banks were given legislation that let them do all kinds of things that they probably shouldn't, and their CFA's and doctrates showed them could only fail with a probability lower than could be imagined.

[Satorian]

Could we please restrict the political talk as it immediately applies to Corvette's motorsports future?

Thank you.

[Adam Larnach]

I've got no problem with staying on topic... but you must realize that what our government is doing now (which is direct correlation with American citizens decisions) is going to ultimately determine where Corvette, and more importantly General Motors ends up in the next 1-3 years.

Perhaps this thread should be moved as what Corvette will do is affected more so by political and socioeconomic factors than motorsport.

[Satorian]

Originally Posted by Adam Larnach

I've got no problem with staying on topic... but you must realize that what our government is doing now (which is direct correlation with American citizens decisions) is going to ultimately determine where Corvette, and more importantly General Motors ends up in the next 1-3 years.

Perhaps this thread should be moved as what Corvette will do is affected more so by political and socioeconomic factors than motorsport.

Which is why I said "as it applies to Corvette's motorsports future". No need to discuss a definition of socialism and whether some political figure completely unrelated to the topic at hand got it right or wrong, I think.

[David]

As serious as GM is about working with the EPA to promote the use of E85, I imagine that any bailout would certainly consider that effort as a good reason to keep the Corvette Racing program:




That, and the up-close and hands-on educational program led by Team management for the younger race fans:

[TWK]

You want to say where you found the photos, David?

[David]

Originally Posted by TWK

You want to say where you found the photos, David?

Is that an ominous, or a curious, question?

Anyhow, the first, which I am sure you don't care about at all, is a PR pic, the second two were on a forum (I plead old age CRS) wherein, as I remember, some guy was bragging about his model/gf gaining access to the Corvette garage for a couple of reasons that were apparent to all. I didn't get a phone number.

[TWK]

Originally Posted by David

Is that an ominous, or a curious, question?

Anyhow, the first, which I am sure you don't care about at all, is a PR pic, the second two were on a forum (I plead old age CRS) wherein, as I remember, some guy was bragging about his model/gf gaining access to the Corvette garage for a couple of reasons that were apparent to all. I didn't get a phone number.

Either "that guy" or you are giving us a load of **** lie. Call it "ominous."

[David]

Originally Posted by TWK

Either "that guy" or you are giving us a load of **** lie. Call it "ominous."

To be honest, and I am very being very honest, I didn't, and still don't, remember or care much about the details of that woman and her circumstances. Why don't you give us the facts if it matters to you.

I was much more amazed that Doug Fehan (and, incidentally, clean cut Johnny O'Connell) appeared in public being photographed with their paws all over her.

[TWK]

OK, fine. Here's what you did.

You copied the pictures from another web site (we both know they didn't come from a forum, don't we?) renamed and saved them on your own site (http://palmeter.com) In which you have this notation:

© 1995-2008 David W. Palmeter - Copyright covers all material not otherwise accredited to another

So...such language only applies to you, right? You characterize those whose material you use as "some guy was bragging about his model/gf gaining access to the Corvette garage for a couple of reasons that were apparent to all. Classy.

[AU N EGL]

Ouch - a bit touchy are we??

[David]

Originally Posted by TWK

OK, fine. Here's what you did.

You copied the pictures from another web site (we both know they didn't come from a forum, don't we?) renamed and saved them on your own site (http://palmeter.com) In which you have this notation:

© 1995-2008 David W. Palmeter - Copyright covers all material not otherwise accredited to another

So...such language only applies to you, right? You characterize those whose material you use as "some guy was bragging about his model/gf gaining access to the Corvette garage for a couple of reasons that were apparent to all. Classy.

Could be, I'm old and forgetful. I didn't crop off the name at the bottom of the picture so I was not claiming credit

And you have been injured how?

[Bob Riebe]

Originally Posted by The359

Brian Moore and the Socialist Party of the United States does not find Obama's tax plan to be remotely socialist, and find it a gross misunderstanding of the ideals of socialism.

So please don't throw around a concept you clearly don't understand, just because some media (predictably?) has it wrong.

There are lies and damned lies, SPotUSA is telling a damned lie.

You sir are gullible enough to believe it.

[Bob Riebe]

Originally Posted by David

As serious as GM is about working with the EPA to promote the use of E85, I imagine that any bailout would certainly consider that effort as a good reason to keep the Corvette Racing program:

Why?

Come up here and read some of the newpapers, or simply put bankruptcy and mid-west alcohol plants in your brower, you should find plenty info.

The papes here are full of stories of alcohol plants that are standing unused, construction stopped, or considering chapter 11 due to economic failure.

Boy bankrupt GM dancing with bankrupt alcohol distilleries, what pair.

[mattcat]

Originally Posted by elan

As to the future of Corvette Racing, Max Papis will not be part of it for 2009. His NASCAR ride will conflict.

Good riddance.

[AU N EGL]

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• One in 10 American jobs depends on U.S. automakers
• Nearly 3 million jobs are at immediate risk
• U.S. personal income could be reduced by $150 billion
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[gft]

Yaaaawwnn-
Did I hear someone say Corvette?

[Hugewally]

Let them file bankruptcy and then reorganize like everyone else has to do.

[The Badger]

Originally Posted by mattcat

Good riddance.

Papis is brilliant !!!

[Aslak Vind]

They would end up loosing Jan, probably the fastest guy of the whole lot. In great respect of the Ollies

[Nordic]

You made the right choice when you put your confidence in General Motors, and we appreciate your past support. I want to assure you that we are making our best vehicles ever, and we have exciting plans for the future. But we need your help now. Simply put, we need you to join us to let Congress know that a bridge loan to help U.S. automakers also helps strengthen the U.S. economy and preserve millions of American jobs.

Despite what you may be hearing, we are not asking Congress for a bailout but rather a loan that will be repaid.

I dont pretend to know much about the situation across the pond, but the suggestion it is a loan and it will be repaid makes me want to ask.

A loan must be secured against something, if they default what do the Gov get, do they get to run the show?

Those in Britain will recall what good car makers the Govenment make. British Leyland was a beacon of success.

[The Badger]

Why should the government be allowed to bail out the car industry ..... and not the airlines ?

They both opperate in the transport sector . It kinda annoys me to hear about GM asking for special help , when other companies dont get the same treatment ?

Im sure someone will enlighten me .

[Fogelhund]

Originally Posted by The Badger

Why should the government be allowed to bail out the car industry ..... and not the airlines ?

They both opperate in the transport sector . It kinda annoys me to hear about GM asking for special help , when other companies dont get the same treatment ?

Im sure someone will enlighten me .

The Auto Industry has a very large footprint in the US. If you take all the Auto companies, supplier companies, components, raw materials and associated businesses you employ a significant portion of the US population. Someone sighted one in ten jobs that are in the US are auto related, though I haven't seen documentation to support that assertion.

[johntt]

Originally Posted by Fogelhund

The Auto Industry has a very large footprint in the US. If you take all the Auto companies, supplier companies, components, raw materials and associated businesses you employ a significant portion of the US population. Someone sighted one in ten jobs that are in the US are auto related, though I haven't seen documentation to support that assertion.

1 in 14 acording to Peter de Lorenzo. Either way, its a lot of jobs.