DMN 2008 - drivers, cars, regs?

[martinlabatts]

i have no problem with this rule as i have other cars i can use

but:: STILL NO ONE HAS SAID WHY THIS RULE WAS NOT UPHELD LAST SEASON?

suddenly this year these spoilers are a problem.

the cars will no dout look like crap without them,

still looks like the sierra will have another run out,

getting it repainted next week and them possible a re- map with four injectors so i can run in class B

[Al Weyman]

Same thing in my previous example Martin with the capri's, as I understand it nothing was said for a few seasons then all of a sudden someone mentions something and suddenly it becomes and issue. I suppose the only way you can really look at it is that guys were fortunate to get away with it before. Also as Eddie says I doubt it will make a jot of difference to the times may even make them go better with less weight and drag as I bet it was only a marketing cosmetic exercise by the manufacturer. .

[martinlabatts]

i was told that when they testing the cars in a wind tunnel the rear spoliers did nothing.

but just seams silly to remove parts from perfectly good cars,

will be interesting to see whot happens at snetterton with these cars.

as you say proberly go faster without the rear spoilers

very good entry list for snetterton

with a new shape seat leon, have they removed the flat floor?

only three class c cars? maybe should have bought one of these to race.

[joss Ronchetti]

Hi everybody, I will be joining you at Snetterton, missed your first round at Brands as I was at Combe with the Classic Modified Saloons.
I have been reading with interest what has been going on and we have removed our rear wing from my Sunbeam Lotus to comply with your regs.
We had only just put it on two weeks ago to race with the LMA's at Snetterton but got pulled on it straight away by their eligibility scrutineer, now I see why as all this was going on with your lot the previous week at Brands. One of the new Cupra Cup cars was out with us in the LMA's at Snetterton(still with flat floor etc) and they put them in Class B with me. Hardly surprisingly it was nearly 3 seconds a lap quicker than me!! I'm not impressed!! We have spent a lot of time and money to make my car a Class B front runner within the rules. Interesting to see what happens there, certainly in one of those new Cupra Cup cars with the boost wound up a bit you should be able to lap quicker than the current works Touring cars, never mind a 30 year old steel bodied hatchback like mine!! I feel at the very least it should be running in Class A of the Eurosaloons.

[martinlabatts]

hi joss

we are talking about the old shape seat leons

as you say new shape ones are much faster, i would have thought LMA would have known this and put them into class A

maybe they will change him for the next round

chezza

i have not enterd snetterton round as i am otherwise engaged for this round

but i am aware about reg any other cars first.

[pdd144c]

For everyone who keeps saying this is the wrong place to talk about the rules I personally think you are wrong. No one has anything to hide so what’s the issue? Eddy’s comment about the Seat and Clio Cup cars could possibly be a way forward.

After speaking in depth with Seat Sport this afternoon, the spoilers were put on the car for a reason, and they do work. Seeming as Snetterton is the fastest circuit in the country it would seem a daft decision to remove the wings and risk the consequences there. It would be more reasonable to let the cars run there and have a proper meeting afterwards with everyone involved.

Forget the Sierra Martin, what about the other new Class B car you have? That won’t cause too much uproar! Bring it out

[jaysalv]

just a question.

being a public forum doesnt that entitle the public to express there opinions regardless of weather the right or wrong?

[BertMk2]

Originally Posted by Alan Cherry

rules5.6.1H
Classes B-E rear spoiler height may not be higher than 50% of the height of the rear window, unless the spoiler is homologated to fit the make and model of car by the original cars manufacturer.

I'm probably missing something here but aren't the spoliers on the SEATs homologated? That would make them legal. It just seems a bit odd that they wouldn't have been homologated in the first place.

[Tim Falce]

Originally Posted by jaysalv

just a question.

being a public forum doesnt that entitle the public to express there opinions regardless of weather the right or wrong?

The weather is right sunny but whether this is the right place is debatable.

[joss Ronchetti]

As they were only fitted on the Cupra Cup cars Seat would not have bothered to Homologate them.
Generally manufactures have to build a minimum amount of cars with a particular mod on them and then get them Homolagated.
Certainly in group A rallying and the old Touring cars (sierra Cosworths etc) that had to build 5000 units to get them homolagated. I do know when I had the new Astra 16v to race in production saloons in 1988 that I had to wait a couple of months until they had the 5000 built and homolagated before I could race it in the Uniroyal/Monroe championships.
But I am certainly no expert on the subject!!

[grichie87]

Ok if the spoilers do nothing take them off, if they are more than halfway up the rear window take them off. Everybody reads the same rules and all should abide by they, then there are no problems.
42 straight wins seam a bit dominant, can we see about some way to level the playing field? spose that will go for Richard Brent also. The rules allow this why are we not applying them?
graham

[Al Weyman]

After speaking in depth with Seat Sport this afternoon, the spoilers were put on the car for a reason, and they do work. Seeming as Snetterton is the fastest circuit in the country it would seem a daft decision to remove the wings and risk the consequences there. It would be more reasonable to let the cars run there and have a proper meeting afterwards with everyone involved.

Well if that the case even more reason they should come off IMHO. And lets be honest whats gonna happen to them down the Revitt, I can't see them suddenly becoming unstable and doing a Merc LeMans car on us can you. My black car will be hitting over 150mph (if the ruddy engine don't go bang) there and it has no major aerodynamic aids just standard and legal Z/28 factory style spoilers.

Are you out in CMS as well Joss, I have not got a clue whether you will have that chance to put those 5 seconds a lap on me yet as I was to race the Pre-93's and CMS but it seems they may be amalagmated, oh yes that means you get to anyhow, silly me!

[joss Ronchetti]

Hi Al, yes I am out in CMS aswell, but doubt I'll put 5 seconds a lap on you!!
I'm expecting your Monster to go steaming down that back straight past me!
I am expecting to be in the 1.16's if everything comes together! What sort of lap time do you do there? Engine is in bits as the rings were not compatable with my nickersyl bores and have knackered my new JE pistons!! New pistons on there way, hope to be out for Oulton on the 19th April, if not will definately be out for Snetterton-a quick 3 race run-in that weekend!!

[mig]

If you allow some cars to have rear wings more then half way up the window then you have to allow everyone that option otherwise it then becomes unfair to others and as for giving people weight penalties to artificiallty slow them down I see this as wrong. if i build a car that is dominante why should I be penalised for building a good fast car surely it is up to other drivers to catch me that is why it is called racing.

[Tim Falce]

Originally Posted by mig

if i build a car that is dominante why should I be penalised for building a good fast car surely it is up to other drivers to catch me that is why it is called racing.

That gets back to the person with the biggest cheque book wins, I didn't think DNM was about that.

[jaysalv]

although as i have said on another forum its a shame that the dmn has lost the whole ...build a car in your garage on a budget feel about it . it now seems that its turning into a ex cup car championship . BUT it is still fun to watch and the entry list for snetterton looks very interesting shame i cant be there as we are ( russell bradley / chris adams and his golf) racing in the cscc at brands that day thanks to balgores motors sponsorship

[mig]

Originally Posted by falcemob

That gets back to the person with the biggest cheque book wins, I didn't think DNM was about that.

Unfortunately all racing is about that, to win it costs money you cant expect competitors to reign in their budgets because their rivals cant spend as much.

[STEVED]

If i had the money i'd probably buy a Leon, But i'll stick with the old Golf for now

[pdd144c]

Originally Posted by grichie87

Everybody reads the same rules and all should abide by they, then there are no problems.

Very true, but it does appear that not all the rules seem to apply to everyone. If ALL the rules are applied to EVERYONE I'm sure all the fuss will die down.

One for Graham, I take it that the standard Cupra R road car spoiler could be used, even though that sits on the top of the boot lid? Then they stay in Class B.

[chezza]

The same rules DO apply to everyone. Just because the Seats have been pulled up this time doesn't mean that somebody else won't be pulled up next time. There will be random testing of cars through out the season.

[Eric Falce]

Originally Posted by mig

Unfortunately all racing is about that, to win it costs money you cant expect competitors to reign in their budgets because their rivals cant spend as much.

Maybe it's time for me to start looking for another series,I know I wont be missed but all this is going down the wrong road,how long before someone lodges an objection to Joe Bloggs car on a minor technicality and that is upheld.We are at the bottom end of the motor racing tree and we go racing to enjoy it,yes to win when we can but to enjoy,your all getting bogged down in the rules and regs,trying to alter them to suit yourselves,if you want to change them,do it in October at the meetings that none of us can be botherd to attend,untill then,lets at least get the season started and have some fun.

[Shawn]

Well Said Eric.

[Shawn]

Originally Posted by Scooby 96

thank you Graham. Add another 215kg to Rods and we should be somewhere near equal weight! Scooby goes 1250kg without the 15 stone lump behind the wheel !!!! Guess Rods weight was nearer 1000kg (1035kg now?) Always thought a minimum weight with the driver included, weighed in as finished is the best way to even things up. 1350kg would seem to be a good starting point!!!!!! or I start to diet, car and myself (unlikely) Nigel

The Escort ways much more than 1000kg Nigel. And that's without the Pie loving Driver

[bdwoody]

well eric, victor meldrew would be appalled ,well said thou sir.....

[bdwoody]

Originally Posted by mig

Unfortunately all racing is about that, to win it costs money you cant expect competitors to reign in their budgets because their rivals cant spend as much.

i love my racing as much as the next man lee but when it costs me more money than fun i'm outta here.as i have said before this motor sport malarky is just a hobby for me, some place i can blow off steam at the weekend but i wont rob a bank to keep doing it!!!!...