|
||||||||||
|
||||||||||
6 May 2018, 18:07 (Ref:3820425) | #701 | ||
Rookie
Join Date: Apr 2017
Posts: 89
|
Quote:
The Toyota's had pace in hand, as was proven by the #7 car. Rebellion's only hope for LM is that Toyota trip themselves up. |
||
|
6 May 2018, 18:48 (Ref:3820445) | #702 | ||
Veteran
Join Date: Jan 2016
Posts: 603
|
Quote:
We've regularly seen in recent years teams having a 4/5 second lap advantage at Le Mans and for whatever reason not winning, Pescarolo in 2005 in the R8s final year & Audi up against Peugeot later on in the decade. That's the beauty of Le Mans I guess! |
||
|
6 May 2018, 20:21 (Ref:3820469) | #703 | |
Racer
Join Date: Dec 2014
Posts: 176
|
Akrapovic since you've done the maths, what do you think of Toyota pitstops ? Looking at the raw timing files, I have the feeling that they use their autonomy advantage to shortfill, not to extend their stints as long as they could. This resulted in 5 to 10" shorter pitstops than the competition (even when there was no driver change). Multiply this by 9 (number of regular pitstops of the race) and that's more than a minute gained !
By the way, with stints limited to 30-35' cars are always pitting. I can't understand how it is accordable with a formula made to put efficiency forward. Now it's like "Look we have really efficient cars ! But they have to stop every 30' to refuel... " And finally, there are too many black and red Orecas in the running. With 2 Rebellions, 2 JCDC and 1 TDS it is almost impossible to tell which car is doing what watching TV ! |
|
|
6 May 2018, 20:23 (Ref:3820470) | #704 | ||
Veteran
Join Date: Sep 2010
Posts: 15,565
|
Quote:
|
||
|
6 May 2018, 20:28 (Ref:3820472) | #705 | ||
Veteran
Join Date: Feb 2003
Posts: 5,721
|
Toyota not even bothering to deny that the #7 was told to hold station behind the Chosen One. Pathetic.
|
||
|
6 May 2018, 20:36 (Ref:3820473) | #706 | |
Veteran
Join Date: Jan 2016
Posts: 603
|
https://youtu.be/ja8Q9NT4f_0
Wonderful video, the shot looking up towards raddilion makes you appreciate how on edge the cars are there |
|
|
6 May 2018, 20:48 (Ref:3820477) | #707 | |
Racer
Join Date: Dec 2015
Posts: 486
|
||
|
6 May 2018, 22:02 (Ref:3820485) | #708 | |||
Veteran
Join Date: Aug 2007
Posts: 4,451
|
Quote:
|
|||
|
7 May 2018, 02:14 (Ref:3820499) | #709 | |||
Race Official
Veteran
Join Date: Oct 2007
Posts: 16,488
|
Quote:
|
|||
|
7 May 2018, 02:23 (Ref:3820501) | #710 | |
Veteran
Join Date: Mar 2018
Posts: 943
|
If anyone gets a chance to go to Spa, take it. I went last year and the track is amazing as a spectator. You know the old cliché that height differences don't come across on TV bla bla well it is a cliché for a reason
|
|
|
7 May 2018, 03:12 (Ref:3820507) | #711 | ||
14th
1% Club
Join Date: Jul 2001
Posts: 44,023
|
So true. I’ve not seen WEC, but have been lucky enough to see Group C (in historics) there. Amazing.
|
||
__________________
Brum brum |
7 May 2018, 14:48 (Ref:3820603) | #712 | ||
Veteran
Join Date: Aug 1999
Posts: 2,529
|
|||
__________________
"Not the pronoun but a player with the unlikely name of Who is on first." |
7 May 2018, 14:51 (Ref:3820604) | #713 | ||
Veteran
Join Date: Dec 2006
Posts: 8,926
|
Both Kolles and both Rebellions got hit with 5 second holds on one stop each for exceeding fuel limits. Largely immaterial to the outcome of the race but an interesting point given that it was also brought up in the Rebellion thread.
|
||
|
7 May 2018, 18:55 (Ref:3820632) | #714 | |
Veteran
Join Date: Jun 2009
Posts: 4,473
|
||
|
7 May 2018, 19:43 (Ref:3820637) | #715 | |||
Veteran
Join Date: Mar 2015
Posts: 1,179
|
Quote:
As you said, until you are there, you can't understand the astonishing elevation change at Eau Rouge, and to see the river with his pacticular colour. |
|||
|
7 May 2018, 19:52 (Ref:3820642) | #716 | |
Veteran
Join Date: Jul 2013
Posts: 18,692
|
Anyone who’s been to Spa is one lucky person, it’s an amazing circuit. Eau Rouge was never thought of much until the new circuit came in, now it’s one of the best corners in motorsport
|
|
__________________
He who dares wins! He who hesitates is lost! |
9 May 2018, 16:58 (Ref:3821078) | #717 | ||
Veteran
Join Date: Jul 2003
Posts: 544
|
Our Racestatistics from the 6h Spa are online:
All of them here: http://www.gt-eins.de/Berichte2018/wec/spa/index.php?sec=gal&gal=Statistiken By the way: I just today found out that this race report from the Superseason starting 6h of Spa was the 1000.th Racereport we issued on GT-Eins.de. Kudos to all 72 people who helped in the last 20 race-seasons to assemble such a large variety of reports, photos and data! |
||
|
9 May 2018, 17:28 (Ref:3821093) | #718 | |
Veteran
Join Date: Jul 2013
Posts: 18,692
|
Toyota still way out in front, interesting to see what happens behind them. Will be an interesting season to say the least
|
|
__________________
He who dares wins! He who hesitates is lost! |
9 May 2018, 17:45 (Ref:3821100) | #719 | ||
Veteran
Join Date: Mar 2015
Posts: 11,087
|
Quote:
We'll post a full proper analysis of the race at some point in the coming weeks. But I don't think Toyota were short-filling. They were getting 1 more lap, sometimes 2 more laps of fuel than the privateers. If they were short filling to get shorter stops then they'll have a significant stint length advantage. I don't imagine they'd have done that with all stops. The Toyota pit stops were more professional than the Rebellion ones - they had the driver changes completed before the fuel was done. Rebellion were still changing drivers at that point, usually for another 3-4 seconds. The fuel times are probably very similar - ACO used to balance fuel rate on energy flow (which is why diesels had such a slow fuel rate), but that can't happen now because the Toyota takes on much less fuel, so the pit stops would be 10 seconds faster on fuel alone. So the rates appear to be equalised fine. Toyota were also able to leave the pits on electrical power, so the car fires away instantly, whilst the others had to fire the engine. There was a short of an LMP2 wheel as the driver was pressing the starter button and it took two attempts and spent at least 5 seconds doing so. You won't be able to engineer that out - that's just good old fashioned mechanical engineering. As you said, the Rebellion stops were 5-10 seconds slower. So the faster Rebellion stops will be the ones with no driver change, where the only disadvantage is a mechanical starter. The 10 seconds slower stops are the ones where you add the driver change and they weren't slick enough. You could slow the Toyota fuel rate to give the non-hybrids a couple of seconds back for refiring, but the driver changes are all practice-makes-perfect stuff. Everyone was able to do tyres within the fuel time, so that's now completely taken out of the strategy calls, which is very sad IMO. They should go back to tyres separately. It may advantage Toyota due to the professionalism, but it adds another dimension due to pit stops. I'm going to make an odd prediction now through - a cameraman will mess up someones stop at Le Mans. The cameramen at ELMS and Spa were too used to being able to zoom in on a driver change because the tyres weren't being done whilst the fuel was. At the ELMS race, they got in the way a couple of times as teams tried different ways of changing the tyres. |
||
|
9 May 2018, 19:46 (Ref:3821128) | #720 | ||
Veteran
Join Date: Sep 2010
Posts: 9,044
|
Quote:
One thing for me post-Spa. I have to eat my words a bit around those Rebellion lineups. While I still don't think they are 'balanced' - those boys in the #3 we're definitely impressive. Although I think this graph demonstrated what I gleaned from the race, which is that Beche might be a weak link here. |
||
__________________
For when your year runs from June to June - '11/'12/'13/'14/'15/'16/'17/'18/'19/xx/'21/'22/'23/'24 Instagram: rsmotorsportmedia |
9 May 2018, 21:29 (Ref:3821145) | #721 | |||
Veteran
Join Date: Mar 2015
Posts: 1,179
|
Quote:
Looking at the graphic of the P1 cars, it's very noticeable how grouped are the ByKolles lap time. |
|||
|
10 May 2018, 00:15 (Ref:3821174) | #722 | |||
Race Official
Veteran
Join Date: Oct 2007
Posts: 16,488
|
Quote:
|
|||
|
10 May 2018, 02:49 (Ref:3821182) | #723 | |
Veteran
Join Date: Sep 2010
Posts: 15,565
|
Dillman was the work horse for the Kolles, and for lmp1. More laps than both his teammates combined and more than any other driver in lmp1. Petrov was only 1 lap shy of his total too but only two drivers for his car.
|
|
|
10 May 2018, 06:37 (Ref:3821204) | #724 | ||
Veteran
Join Date: Aug 1999
Posts: 2,529
|
|||
__________________
"Not the pronoun but a player with the unlikely name of Who is on first." |
10 May 2018, 16:11 (Ref:3821311) | #725 | ||
Veteran
Join Date: Sep 2010
Posts: 15,565
|
Quote:
Lap-56 Driver-2 Time-1:59.547 Sector 1-33.725 Sector 2-54.658 Sector 3-31.164 Top speed-324.4 The only special thing about that lap was sector 2, which was their best. Their top speed was 4kmh off their best too. Maybe he just hooked that lap up and none of the rest? |
||
|
|
|
Similar Threads | ||||
Thread | Thread Starter | Forum | Replies | Last Post |
[ELMS Race] 4 Hours of Spa-Francorchamps 2017 | TheMightyM | ACO Regulated Series | 30 | 1 Oct 2017 16:31 |
[FIA GT Race] 2017 24 Hours of Spa-Francorchamps | NaBUru38 | Sportscar & GT Racing | 451 | 1 Aug 2017 09:41 |
[WEC Race] WEC 6 HOURS SPA FRANCORCHAMPS | TF110 | ACO Regulated Series | 259 | 29 May 2017 20:30 |
Six Hours of Spa-Francorchamps | PaulSands | Motorsport Art & Photography | 3 | 3 Sep 2003 10:27 |
FIA 6 hours of Spa Francorchamps | Peter Mallett | Trackside | 2 | 17 Jul 2000 13:47 |