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20 Aug 2004, 17:14 (Ref:1072953)
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20 Aug 2004, 17:54 (Ref:1072996)
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Any way why dosn't OWRS want to race at fontana? That would make a good late November date.
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20 Aug 2004, 18:03 (Ref:1073002)
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There still seems to be the matter of $2 million in dispute over last year's cancellation. That's why the Fontana contract was not picked up in the bankruptcy auction by OWRS.
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20 Aug 2004, 18:08 (Ref:1073006)
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Really?
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20 Aug 2004, 18:22 (Ref:1073016)
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Once again OWRS is not CART. The guys running ISC are business men, they understand that. They know where the bodies lie and that there is no chance of recovering CART's debt from OWRS.
In the meantime they own a track which is going to be sitting idle and are faced with an opportunity to generate some income by renting the facility to OWRS. If I were in ISC's position the answer looks kind of like a no-brainer to me. |
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20 Aug 2004, 18:28 (Ref:1073023)
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Fontana is NOT sitting idle. It just got a second NASCAR weekend in addition to its IRL date.
If OWRS had picked up the Fontana contract in the bankruptcy auction, it also would have picked up the dispute over the $2 million and added potential liability. It wisely chose not to, leaving ISC/Fontana "stiffed" with CART's bankruptcy. I doubt that OWRS has offered a track rental at Fontana, not wishing to get into the complication of the other deal unless or until it's settled. |
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20 Aug 2004, 18:45 (Ref:1073034)
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If Fontana did enter into an agreement with OWRS it will have nothing to do with ISC's problems with CART. ISC is in the motorsports entertainment bussiness - OWRS is in the racing business that provides the entertainment - a deal is not out of the question. Although, at this time not one track that ISC owns hosts a CCWS race. They seem to be in concert with Nascar and IRL - but, they are a publicly traded company and making the shareholders money is #1 priority. Renting the tracks for entertainment is their source of revenue. I doubt that politics will prevent OWRS/CCWS from racing at their tracks in the future.
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20 Aug 2004, 18:59 (Ref:1073046)
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You're playing me on semantics here indycool. Not cool.
If you go to ISC's website and look at the California Speedway event schedule they show nothing scheduled in November which is the obvious date we are talking about in this thread. 
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20 Aug 2004, 19:48 (Ref:1073103)
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Flatspot,
IC is correct on the money issue. ISC is not doing business with OWRS or CART. Nor will they until the monetary dispute is settled. ISC holds OWRS responsible for CART's debt. (Yes I know that Pook/CART/OWRS dispute the legitimacy of that claim, but it is a major sore.) As for Novemeber track use, look closer. The October 31st date, which was the November 1 date of CART, is now GARRA. Schools, drifters and others have the track most of November. Notice for example that FastRiders (Motorcycle racing school) has the weekend of November 27-28 reserved, while Street Legal drags have it November 13 weekend. CCWS is in Mexico City November 7th. So that leaves only November 21st available for a rental. Assuming that OWRS will pay some settlement with the Speedway to retire the CART debt issue. But why would OWRS do that anyway? That extends the season to Thanksgiving, greatly increasing the costs to themselves and the teams. This is a non-starter. The season will end in Mexico City. |
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20 Aug 2004, 19:53 (Ref:1073106)
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Did't I point that out in a post waaaaaaay back??
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20 Aug 2004, 20:41 (Ref:1073163)
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Yes you did, Mags.
Bottom line, everyone: Fontana is dead. I hate to say that because I loved the races there, but lets face the reality. It's done and not an option for this year. Hey, doesn't ALMS run a race in Washington, DC? I know that they did, and it seemed like a good race, so why couldn't OWRS race there? |
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20 Aug 2004, 20:47 (Ref:1073170)
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Yes they did run there two summers ago....
Unfortunately, there were noise issues, etc., that the promoteres did not deal with as promised, and other politcal stumbling blocks that forced a cancellation of the ALMS event last summer.... There are very big hurdles to overcome to make that race happen...especially from the people who live rather close to place where they held the race.... |
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20 Aug 2004, 20:57 (Ref:1073184)
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I respectfully disagree with the assumption that Fontana has to be dead and that ISC won't play with OWRS but I am more than happy to drop the subject for now.
I do have a question given that John Lopes said in the Fan Forum in Denver that the final TBA would be announced "probably by the end of next week" meaning any day now: What venue(s) could realistically support having a race less than 90 days from now? |
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20 Aug 2004, 21:09 (Ref:1073197)
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The only way they could do it would be the same way that they did Las Vegas or will try to work out Puerto Rico.... They would have to piggyback onto another existing event that is already on the racing calendar... It would be next to impossible to put on a "new stand-alone" event in 90 days and still make it work..... Last edited by Tim Northcutt; 20 Aug 2004 at 21:10. |
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22 Aug 2004, 17:56 (Ref:1074491)
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Flatspot, guess we disagree but it's dropped for now.
Think they must be looking to seal up the Puerto Rico deal before they announce Seoul isn't going to happen. And, Tim, I agree. Throwing together a standalone event in 90 days would be a disaster. |
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27 Aug 2004, 04:18 (Ref:1078784)
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So at this time and date...how many races are left this season?
5, 6, or 7? |
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27 Aug 2004, 10:03 (Ref:1078949)
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5 or 6, not 7!
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27 Aug 2004, 15:01 (Ref:1079231)
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Laguna Seca Las Vegas Seoul Australia Mex City Venue TBA that's 7 KB lol |
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27 Aug 2004, 15:42 (Ref:1079272)
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Seoul isn't going to happen.....it is dead....they are merely waiting to announce the "TBA" before they admit that Seoul is dead...
so it is really six.... |
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27 Aug 2004, 15:52 (Ref:1079281)
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I doubt OWRS will fill a replacement there is very little time to promote the race, get ready etc.
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28 Aug 2004, 06:39 (Ref:1079744)
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I'll bet that the only way we will know about Seoul is to watch the Las Vegas TV coverage, and see what they announce will be the next race (either Seoul, Surfers, or something else).
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30 Aug 2004, 14:47 (Ref:1081585)
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Since we're talking about TBA events, St. pete can be removed from everyone's lists for 2004 and probably for 2005....
The Indy Star published a confirmation on Sunday that The IRL will race at St. Pete on April 3, 2005....the formal announcement of the deal will be made on Thursday in the Tampa Bay area... The "unnamed promoter" involved in that one also has been "Named".... Barry Green....yes, THAT Barry Green..... I would not anticipate St. Pete hosting two races....so I guess this one is probably gone from the OWRS lists for now.... Last edited by Tim Northcutt; 30 Aug 2004 at 14:48. |
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30 Aug 2004, 17:27 (Ref:1081722)
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Mark C. says Puerto Rico is dead, too.
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30 Aug 2004, 19:44 (Ref:1081805)
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That is a surprise to me..... Unless the Trans-Am event there fell through as well..... Because of Gentilozzi's ties to Trans-Am, I really thought that this race would happen.... and if they are going to fill that TBA, it'll have to be tied to something that already exists on another race series schedule at this late date..... |
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31 Aug 2004, 00:33 (Ref:1081998)
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There's really no sense in filling the TBAs at this point anyway. Call Mexico City the closer, and we can all look forward to next year!
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