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To answer your question Forda:
They've definitely needed to change up the way it's dealt with this year but to me they've been sensible in making smaller changes, assessing them and then adjusting further if needed. Ideal? No, it hasn't been but it has been managed sensibly through the course of the season. It is clear that a much better set of tools for making assessments has been developed out of this year's challenges around adjusting parity between a coupe and a couple of sedans for the first time, rather than all sedans in previous years. You can throw all the emotive, tantrum-like words around that you like but it has neither been underhand, nor a farce, nor a via the "back door" nor secretive. Sure it's taken 6 months or so to get it all sorted but it does look like that may have now been achieved and we'll get a much better idea of that over the upcoming events. |
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And throwing around vague, meaningless phrases such as "better set of tools", "making smaller changes", (to) "get a much better idea" unfortunately does very little to prove the reactionary and ad-hoc processes used this year have been either fair, or well executed.
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We could always go back to group c rules, there was never any *****ing, winging and whining back then
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Thousands of fans would say otherwise as the technical restrictions try & even out the performance via a big thick rule book and they are currently making it thicker because three teams are so far in front. Sounds like a parity series to me.
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everyone whinging about parity should make have a think about the farce that would come out of a free for all set of rules.
aka spend the most and win. teams struggle to pay the bills now... |
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It far would be far more sensible to say the 2019 cars have been homologated and have aerodynamic technical parity under the requirements of the 2019 VCAT test and they stay as they are. Everyone can have all year to go off and design a 2020 aero package under a clearer set of aero regulations that are the same for everybody. In December, have Ford, Holden and Nissan bring along their 2020 specification aero packages with different options of wings, endplates and undertrays, and send them off to the USA to a wind tunnel to be tested thoroughly by an independent third party to ensure 100% technical parity. Quote:
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Teams are always allowed to rehomologate their aero kit for the next season, that is the provision for changes. NOT unverified changes when aerodynamic parity was already confirmed before season's start at a runway. Folks would have been best advised to go and design whatever aero kit they want under clear 2020 aero rules, have them independently tested in a wind tunnel and go racing with that kit in 2020. The existing homologated and parity verified kits would be used for the 2019 season. Last edited by V8 Fireworks; 16 Sep 2019 at 22:39. |
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What a load of nonsense from Mr Dutton. They were run down a runway and the downforce was measured and found to be the same. That was before downforce was taken away from the Mustang, and 40kg more was put on the Commodore. Dutton appears to be an advocate of alternative facts! In all likelihood the Commodore has an unfair advantage now. |
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Perhaps the current parity mess occurring in Supercars is similarly indicative of its stage in its lifecycle. Quote:
Should help sell a few more Opels; or maybe not. |
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to be honest the same 6 mustangs still at the front of the pack but atleast it wasnt a blow away by Scotty Mac this weekend. So maybe its becomming a little closer....the parity
Mind you, from memory, many many years of Wincup destroying the competition in the same sense as SM, was there as much Partiy suggestions in those days. I cant remember |
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Whincup never destroyed anybody the way Scotty Mac is. Plenty of battles with SVG, Scotty, Will, and many others over the journey. Statistical domination but not utter domination like Scott has been showing this year.
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There's plenty of reasons why Whincup hasn't been able to run with Scotty this year, and they're nothing to with parity.
They are more to do with whatever internal changes have occurred within 888, which have resulted in them not allowing their engines to be thrashed, having wheels literally falling off, and other uncharacteristic stuff. Add to the equation Scotty is on fire with his current form, and Whincup is moving on in age, and is no longer at his peak. |
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Yes champ; the Mustang caused the wheels to fall off the Opel, initiated the reversion back to single spring coilovers, directly caused the extreme penny pinching going on over at 888, and forced JW to pass the safety car last weekend. |
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Might I add, I dont think many will reach Whincups Statistical domination any time soon. His records are exceptional. Scotty may have if he hung around in Oz but as I have been crowing, he will be in the USA more sooner than later. |
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Hopefully we will soon see a new era for Supercars where the parity testing is more sophisticated. Even the series having their own aerodynamicist to assess the base road cars so aero devices can be added to equalise downforce, balance and drag without chopping up the bodies. |
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And a new re-homologation process set for 2020:
https://www.speedcafe.com/2019/09/18...ation-process/ |
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So if anybody actually read the article the content is pretty good:
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So enough with the muckraking conspiracy bullshit:
https://www.speedcafe.com/2019/09/18...IXkmkp_WHpLC_4 Quote:
"sources" "insiders" "pals" continue to make claims about this being "underhanded" but it is just made up ********. May as well print it in New Idea. |
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