Does F1 need Schuey?

[Glen]

I honestly can't describe how absurd I think your point of view is, freud. Schumacher enjoys all of these multiple wins and championships BECAUSE of an amount of work and dedication over the years in excess of everybody else's, not in spite of an absence of those things. He constantly re-iterates his feelings of priviledge and honour (and pride and gratitude and pure joy) after winning a race - and those sentiments seem to increase as time goes by, if anything - he most certainly doesn't appear to take anything for granted.

You don't want to hear it (you won't hear it, I'm sure) - but Schumacher is the most focussed and hard working racer out there. That is why any team would have him if they could, and that is why all of other drivers respect his example and try to raise their game to match his.

[GP Racer]

Originally posted by Glen
I honestly can't describe how absurd I think your point of view is, freud. Schumacher enjoys all of these multiple wins and championships BECAUSE of an amount of work and dedication over the years in excess of everybody else's, not in spite of an absence of those things. He constantly re-iterates his feelings of priviledge and honour (and pride and gratitude and pure joy) after winning a race - and those sentiments seem to increase as time goes by, if anything - he most certainly doesn't appear to take anything for granted.

You don't want to hear it (you won't hear it, I'm sure) - but Schumacher is the most focussed and hard working racer out there. That is why any team would have him if they could, and that is why all of other drivers respect his example and try to raise their game to match his.

Excellent post Glen, and right on the money!

Its funny how many sports heros aren't appreciated until there long gone, and Michael will be one of them. Even his detractors will look back someday, and say "wow, what a driver he was"...

[jj2728]

Originally posted by Liz
No, F1 does not need him and in fact has not needed him for the past three years.
F1 needs competition. For one reason or another, there is no competition in F1 in any race which he drives. I'm tired of seeing him jump, I'm tired of hearing the same two boring anthems, I'm tired of hearing him try to pretend that what we just saw was 'exciting' and pretending he worked hard in the race ... I enjoyed the Monaco race because he was never a factor in it, and it was wonderful to see two new faces happily atop the podium.
P.S. I was not impressed with Rubens' lame attempt in the press conference to (1) justify his dismal showing and (2) cover his teammate's narrow German

f1 needs competition....then it is up to the others to raise their games.....pure and simple.....i'm tired of hearing people whine and moan about 'TGF' this 'TGF' that.....do any of you truly appreciate the spectacle that is f1?....

[jj2728]

Originally posted by Glen
I honestly can't describe how absurd I think your point of view is, freud. Schumacher enjoys all of these multiple wins and championships BECAUSE of an amount of work and dedication over the years in excess of everybody else's, not in spite of an absence of those things. He constantly re-iterates his feelings of priviledge and honour (and pride and gratitude and pure joy) after winning a race - and those sentiments seem to increase as time goes by, if anything - he most certainly doesn't appear to take anything for granted.
You don't want to hear it (you won't hear it, I'm sure) - but Schumacher is the most focussed and hard working racer out there. That is why any team would have him if they could, and that is why all of other drivers respect his example and try to raise their game to match his.

well put glen....some people just don't get it.....

[Adam43]

Mr V, Mr Montoya fan, now Mr you can't deny Michael's talent! You see Gt_R not all JPM fans are blind to TGF's talents

Glen is right in his summary of the man.

I'm not a fan of many of the ways Michael and Ferrari go racing. However the principle reasons they succeed - dedication, talent, ingenuity - are all things to be admired in any walk of life.

There is a massive list of people I want to win a GP before Mr Schumacher. However I still like it when he wins one by being better than anyone else.

[freud]

Originally posted by Glen
I honestly can't describe how absurd I think your point of view is, freud. Schumacher enjoys all of these multiple wins and championships BECAUSE of an amount of work and dedication over the years in excess of everybody else's, not in spite of an absence of those things. He constantly re-iterates his feelings of priviledge and honour (and pride and gratitude and pure joy) after winning a race - and those sentiments seem to increase as time goes by, if anything - he most certainly doesn't appear to take anything for granted.

You don't want to hear it (you won't hear it, I'm sure) - but Schumacher is the most focussed and hard working racer out there. That is why any team would have him if they could, and that is why all of other drivers respect his example and try to raise their game to match his.

Glen, I can only say that you are in a state of denial. Basically you love TGF so much that you will go any lengths to bias your views to suit TGF. And believe me I dont care.. whatever! To each his own and you have all the right in the world to have your own views. I dont want to change you at all.

Though what I would appreciate is that TGF fans like you start thinking a little about the 'other' poor 21 drivers on the grid as well. They are extremely focused as well, and they are extremely hard working as well and they are also putting their lives on stake everytime they go out.

Its a shame that you heap such praise on TGF and and you think that he is the only 'focused' and 'hard working' driver out there. My question is why not?? I mean why the heck is he being paid that amount of money? If he is not 'focused' with a 30 million dollar paycheck, then shame on him and shame on his cronies! Nothing but a bunch of thugs~!

[enemy-ace]

I have been racing Karts for many years now and won my fair share of races. Some I walked and some I fought tooth and nail for. The one I remember the most is when I finally beat the best karter I ever raced against.
Trulli's first win was a great one because he beat the best driver in the best car.
I find it kind of sad that people would rather see parity rather than seeing the best at work. To be the best you need to beat the best; not the best of the rest. Finishing ahead of a Minardi is not nearly as satisfying as finishing ahead of a Ferrari.

[KaiserSose]

I can understand the dislike folks have for Schu. I couldn't stand Senna when he was racing.

[senna12]

No, F1 does not need Schuey. They got along fine with out him, and they will continue to do so after he leaves, until spiralling costs, or Bernie's ultimate demise, eventually cause a major shakeout of some sort.

[freud]

I agree.. infact F1 would be much better without him..

[Mr V]

Originally posted by AdamAshmore
Mr V, Mr Montoya fan, now Mr you can't deny Michael's talent!

Adam, i'd like to think that i've never hidden my admiration for Michaels abilities, dispite not being a fan.

[CamF1]

Some people really need to let go of their hatred for Schumacher, you may actually feel better.

[Gt_R]

Quote AA:Y"ou see Gt_R not all JPM fans are blind to TGF's talents"

Hahha..AA that's unfair a statement...did i say ALL?

Anyway,i've long noticed MrV's ability to step outside his support for JPM to acknowledge MS's talents, and i hugely appreciate it honestly

I may be an MS fan, but i'm primarily a fan of drivers who possess exceptional skills or talent...hence the list of drivers whom i am a fan of or admire stretches far beyond the one Michael Schumacher...

Hence, even with my adoration for the skills of MS, i never insisted that MS is above the sports. MS is a rare talent that grace our sports, and together with other greats before him, made F1's great history interesting.

I started F1 as a Ferrari fan....at a time when MS wasn't even in F1. I've been through Ferrari's drought..and i've admired MS's talent in his Benetton days. Hence i'm pleased to see a driver i admire join the team i support, achieving ultimate success together. And i've been through Ferrari/MS's worse days and seen MS/Ferrari dominate...and believe me..they deserved it.

Of course, every team has a pool of drivers,engineers,mechanics,talents who are dedicated and committed to F1 with a healthy dose of passion in their blood, and i appreciate it even if they do badly like what Mclaren had done. But right now, there's simply no denying that the best driver/best team/best effort deserves to win and be given a pat for it...In Monaco..it's Trulli/Renault...it's something worth celebrating... And when MS/Ferrari win because they did the best job, sometimes it would be helpful if critics can stand outside their small circle and congratulate MS/Ferrari too, rather than kickstart petty arguments.

But does F1 need MS? I'd just say - MS will probably retire pretty soon...but F1 won't die on that day. Right now, i'd just take the good time to enjoy the pure talent Michael displays at races.

[fog_shadow]

Originally posted by Mattracer
See how interesting a GP is when MS iis not int? Although to be fair, had this been on a "normal" circuit, you know, a dull one, this might not have happened.

perhaps you could elaborate on how the race became interesting once Michael was out. did we get to see overtaking on the track?

perhaps overtaking in the pits?? :confused:

unless you mean that Michael retiring was what made your race interesting

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[ASCII Man]

I wouldn't say that the race was better, only alot of cheering and sighs of relief from our part after noticing that there was something "odd" about Michaels car coming out of the tunnel.

[fog_shadow]

ASCII Man,
at least that was honest. thank you

you don't have to like MS, but at least be honest about why the "race got better"

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[Glen]

Originally posted by freud
Its a shame that you heap such praise on TGF and and you think that he is the only 'focused' and 'hard working' driver out there.

I think you're have a little trouble with your reading, freud. Perhaps some glasses?

I don't recall saying that he was the only focussed and hard working driver out there, merely the most. Every one of them does an outstandingly difficult job, and many of them go to astonishing degrees to get that job done. The fact remains though that Michael Schumacher puts it all together in a more complete and effective way than any other driver - not only that but he has raised the standards in such a way as to drive every competitor on to follow his example... which is why Mark Webber, for example, gets so much praise - he mixes phenonemal speed with massive levels of work and dedication, very much in the Schumacher (and formerly Senna) mould.

I know that you know you can wind me up by claiming that my views are born of irrational devotion, but I also know (at least I hope) that not even someone of your extreme views genuinely believes what you say. Just take a look and see the overwhelming number of people who freely concede that he is the number one guy, even if they don't partiularly like the guy. Hell, I don't even care for his personality, but I'm not going to let that distort my view and make me unable to see the bleedin' obvious.

[Kicking-back]

Originally posted by Liz
cover his teammate's narrow German

At it again with the racism, I see.