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I'd also keep the German LMS at Nürburg. It's a nice track and I love to visit the circuit. I've seen 2 LMS races there and the circuit really seems suitable for enduro racing. And like somebody mentioned in this thread, we get to see a lot of ALMS teams during the 24 Hours LeMans. Furthermore, the ALMS has a high quality grid and there are nice battles between Corvette and Aston Martin in GT1, but there just isn't enough competition in LMP1 and GT1 I'm afraid... Best thing for me would be to get the ALMS teams to drive LMS in Europe. But that's a little selfish of me, huh? Anyhow, the calender looks great for me. I wonder what the 6th round will be (well, in case there is one). |
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Rules makes dictated how the cars should look to a dregee, height, width and power plants. The engines, yes are race prep Porshce, BMW, Lexus ( Toyota / TRD) and slightly more then stock Corvette ( badged as Pontiac) engines. The cars are good. Fast?? well on three circuits in the US that Grand-Am and ALMS run the Fastest Grand Am Daytona Prototypes and just a bit faster then the 3rd to 5th place GT2 cars. ALMS P1, P2 and GT1 cars would lap at 3 to5 secs faster. But then again ALMS is much higher dollar racing too. ANd when your a pro driver, any race car that pays you will do |
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Found qualifing example:
Top LMP 2 car ( porsche RS Spyder ) 1:12.378 Top LPM1 car ( Lola B06/10-AER ) 1:13.091 Top GT1 car Aston Martin 1:18.8 The GT2 pole at Mid-Ohio was a lap of 1:22.638 this year. The Grad-Am Daytona Prototype pole at Mid-Ohio was a lap of 1:20.202 this year. DPs have spec Hoosier tires though. The Grand AM DP would have qualifed 14th over all, behind ALL the P1, P2 and GT1 cars Ok Sorry about thread highjacking, back to your regular scheduled blog. |
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I found the reading in this thread to be rather amusing and interesting, as it followed no specific path, but covered a lot of theoretical ground.
Jag, is his usual near eternal optimist, and Purist I find amazing thinking that quantity of race sites, is more important than a few qualtity races. As to what LeMans is now, ask ten people and you will get probably at least five different answers. The IMSA schedule should put Road America on Memorial Day. This part of the country is extremely beautiful and fresh that time of year, rather than the tropic heat of mid to late summer, and anyone who wants to do more testing on their cars, could possibly enter the June sprints as some competitors used to do. Any thing that did not fit a category ran as A sport racing. Bob |
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BR, the quantity of events bit has to do with practicality. You will NOT maintain the presence of a series in the US in a serious way with just 6-8 events a year. Even 10-12 is on the edge. To really maintain presence over here in the shadow of open wheel and NASCAR, it would be good to have at least two races a month for March through October; that comes out to 16 races a season.
In Europe, it's quite a different picture. You have LMS with just five or six races, but you also have FIA GT, and several big national GT series plus a few national prototype series. Thus, Sportscar & GT maintains its exposure very well throughout the season, even though the LMS itself has so few races. Over here Speed GT and Trans-Am (only on life support atm) are not at a level to really support what the ALMS provides, and they aren't quite the same thing either, as the cars in those series are often rather different from those in ALMS' GT categories. Therefore, the ALMS MUST have a greater number of events to keep Sportscar & GT racing on the map in the US. As to Memorial Day Weekend racing, it is too close to Le Mans Pre-Qualifying (or whatever they call that test session) to allow for ALMS teams to run at Elkart Lake and still have proper allowance for travel time. Last edited by Purist; 14 Aug 2006 at 23:14. |
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As for the number of races; NASCAR is out of the equation, the France family started to set this up thirty years ago, and those who try to copy them fail miserably. I have yet to see a road race series that truly profits from an increased number of races. History has shown the problems for the sanction and teams with increased travel, and expenses, at the minimum, turns a high quality must see program, into a half-arsed sad folly. Bob Last edited by Bob Riebe; 14 Aug 2006 at 23:33. |
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It's more like FIA helped kill World Sportscar, and Japanese factory money killed IMSA GTP.
And the question remains Bob, how the heck else can you possibly keep the exposure/presence up for Sportscar throughout the season in the US without more events than there are now (a lot of people have painfully short memories)?! Sportscar needs to make some kind of a dent in the motorsports landscape over here if it is to reasonably sustain itself. Staying in the limelight more consistently is ESSENTIAL to doing that. Yes, there is a problem with the Memorial Day plan. Note that a number of the teams that do cross the Atlantic don't have two cars (Peterson White Lightning). Splitting teams hurts entries in the series here for that race, and that is the last thing we should be doing for an event at a track like Road America. Last edited by Purist; 15 Aug 2006 at 04:05. |
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29 Aug 2006, 06:53 (Ref:1695996) | #59 | ||
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no F1 Spyker, please
http://tentenths.com/forum/showthread.php?t=87751 |
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Could we see privateer Spykers?
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Now ..... thats an interesting question . Any idea of the cost of a Spyker GT2 car ? Is it more that a 430 or less that a 911 ?
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Why not? It's a great looking car and with pro drivers it's a competative car.
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In that case we can remove also other cars from the grid.
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Exactly how "big" does a track have to be to "handle" the LMS in your opinion??? |
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One other note...
Italy seems to be a total waste of time to me....The crowds were dismal at Monza the first two seasons... Race someplace where crowds will show up for the event...like the Netherlands... Or race at Brno..... |
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Kind of like if the took Road America and cut it in-half. Bob |
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Smallest track I have race on was 1.7miles or just under 3Km. Too small of a track. I dont like going to events on tracks smaller then 2.5 miles ~ 4.0 km |
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Everything I've read about Assen has led me to believe that the facility could handle an LMS event...and the changes they made allegedly were to make the circuit more amenable to auto racing...
Supposedly, Champ Car is looking at possibly scheduling a race at Assen in the future.... |
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