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View Poll Results: Whose fault in the incident between Anthony Davidson and Piergiuseppe Perazzini? | |||
Anthony Davidson's fault | 6 | 4.41% | |
Piergiuseppe Perazzini's fault | 108 | 79.41% | |
Both | 22 | 16.18% | |
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19 Jun 2012, 23:54 (Ref:3095212) | #51 | |||
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Now maybe the Toyota was a bit too lively to get by. I'm less certain of that. But the mind boggles at what was going through the mind of Perazinni. |
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20 Jun 2012, 08:28 (Ref:3095295) | #52 | ||
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I agree that in this incident Antony was not really at fault but but I go back to our discussions with Mr Piro in the fan lounge, and again it comes down to giving a little thought to overtaking slower cars in corners and risking the chance of a collision, perhaps like Alan M a little caution rather than constant aggression would help both drivers finish the race rather than always be involved in these discussions
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20 Jun 2012, 10:35 (Ref:3095348) | #53 | |
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if you're suggesting that racing drivers use some common sense then it may well fall on deaf ears
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20 Jun 2012, 11:14 (Ref:3095361) | #54 | ||
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To me, Davidson did use common sense though. Allan you could say was diving into a gap that was disappearing (but a wandering GT car with very little concept of racing lines didn't help), but Davidson would have made it more danagerous should he have stayed behind. Is he meant to slam on the brakes because a GT car is moving across the track? Or does he take advantage of the GT car leaving the entire right hand lane open?
Ant was already committed to the inside before the GT driver even turned in. The closing speed was high enough that had he braked then he'd have gone into the back of the Ferrari anyway. He did what every other LMP Driver would have done, he was just the unlucky one who got tagged by a GT driver not paying attention. Exactly the same as Rockys accident last year. I really dislike Davidson, as a driver and the person he comes across when commentating and on TV, but I'm 100% behind him here - he did nothing wrong at all. |
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20 Jun 2012, 11:33 (Ref:3095366) | #55 | ||
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Similar, perhaps, in that it involved a factory LMP and a Ferrari.....
Kauffman was unfairly chastised last year because he wouldn't have had a clue about Rocky's distance or intended direction due to thier ludicrous space-station lights. |
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20 Jun 2012, 11:47 (Ref:3095368) | #56 | ||
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From Davidson's POV he arrived behind the Ferrari, scouted for the space in which to pass him and then held that space before the Ferrari turned in on him. It's not as if Davidson dived for a space that wasn't there and tipped the Ferrari's rear under such a scenario it would be Davidson's fault.
Davidson discharged his duty as the overtaking driver. It was then that Perazzani failed to observe the Toyota alongside him and therefore failed to relent the space as is customary in multiclass racing when being passed by a functional car in a faster class. |
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20 Jun 2012, 12:32 (Ref:3095394) | #57 | |||
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Davidsons wasn't much different. Perazzini supposedly said he seen Davidson, but didn't know how far back he was and turned in anyway? That's just stupidity IMO. |
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20 Jun 2012, 12:53 (Ref:3095416) | #58 | ||
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In an interview on Eurosport about 45 minutes after the incident Perazzini did say he saw the Toyota coming...
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20 Jun 2012, 13:11 (Ref:3095425) | #59 | ||
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And some comment about it not being an overtaking place - I thought someone said. Which just about says it all....
I'm done on this one. No real need for it to run and run as far as I'm concerned. Case should be closed. |
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20 Jun 2012, 13:33 (Ref:3095441) | #60 | |
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On this case, who is in fault ?
see the 19 Juin 2012 13:19 message and picture !!!!! http://www.autodiva.fr/forum/viewtop...2252&start=360 |
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20 Jun 2012, 13:40 (Ref:3095448) | #62 | ||
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Sorry - those links are useless to us - we're not registered there - and are unlikely ever to be. What's your point?
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20 Jun 2012, 14:47 (Ref:3095473) | #63 | ||
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I spent around an hour down at Mulsanne. 20 minutes after we left, the crash happened. I saw all kinds of overtakes, waits, shuffling, etc down there. But there is no doubt in my mind that an LMP and a GT can run safely together into Mulsanne corner itself after the first right hander. It happened many, many, many times. In fact any car running solo would naturally be on the left, to make a 'racing line' approach to a right hand turn?
Add to this a clear move to the right by Perrazini when Davidson is already well alongside.... |
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20 Jun 2012, 14:59 (Ref:3095486) | #64 | ||
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No Blue warnings were issued from our post once it became too dark to see the flags properly. The only warnings were "Change of Surface" (Red / Yellow) and "Warning" (Yellow) via the means of a large square board. I believe this year though, that some FIA style light panels were in various places around the track - Pit Entrance being one of them. |
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20 Jun 2012, 15:20 (Ref:3095498) | #65 | ||
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Blue lights were part of that box, and they flashed them quite early as the cars exited Mulsanne corner. The box is visible from the moment they exit the corner until they pass it.
That is the case this year anyway. |
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20 Jun 2012, 16:05 (Ref:3095535) | #66 | ||
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I race in series with lot faster cars and once you are in the lapping stage extreme care must be taken its as simple as that but you do need equal care to be taken by both parties.
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21 Jun 2012, 08:52 (Ref:3095823) | #67 | |||
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I've been a member of Autodiva for years. Admittedly you have to be able to speak French, but "useless to us - we're not registered there - and are unlikely ever to be" I don't think so |
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21 Jun 2012, 09:05 (Ref:3095828) | #68 | ||
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It is useless to us, we can't read it. So what does it say?
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Well, OK Chris, it's useless to us if we don't speak very good French and aren't registered there....... It's an interesting pic though! |
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21 Jun 2012, 10:06 (Ref:3095861) | #71 | ||
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I'll let you off Chris.......
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21 Jun 2012, 13:52 (Ref:3095962) | #73 | |
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That is quite a spin, to cut the Krohne ferrari up in Indy/Arnage, and then end up in the barriers at Porsche Curves!! ;-)
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21 Jun 2012, 16:54 (Ref:3096039) | #74 | ||
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time yet for N24 style blue flashing lights for P1 cars?
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21 Jun 2012, 20:58 (Ref:3096126) | #75 | |
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Does it say 'Police' down the side of the cars as well? ;-)
Not sure blue flashing lights on the cars would make any difference. If you can't see the bright headlights on the current P1 cars, how is a blue flashing light going to make any difference. But as we do seem to be looking for solutions how about the Sentinel system used by Dakar Rally vehicles - can be triggered by the following vehicle, and becomes an audible signal for the vehicle in front. Mostly useful for Trucks coming up behind Motorbikes, but no reason why it couldn't be adapted for P1 cars to trigger something inside a GT car? |
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