FIA GT Race FIA GT Rnd 5: Oschersleben 7-8 Jul 2007 - Page 3

cmk · 8 Jul 2007, 20:58 (Ref:1957990)

I love the utter absence of details concerning the disqualifications on the official website. Typical FIA-GT press quality - what, you mean you wanted us to give you real and substantial information about our series? Why ever, my dear? Clear and transparent process, here we come!

Hazard · 8 Jul 2007, 22:17 (Ref:1958043)

Oh well, bright side - podium for the BMS Aston - an acheivement for them!

Championship less interesting though - that gives Biagi a very nice jump. 6 drivers are in joint 3rd.

gwyllion · 8 Jul 2007, 22:47 (Ref:1958062)

Apparently the fuel tank of the PK Corvette was to big: 101,3 liter instead of 100. And the #7 Lambo was disqualified because Mucke drove less than 35 min.

Shotteh · 8 Jul 2007, 22:58 (Ref:1958066)

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Originally Posted by gwyllion

And the #7 Lambo was disqualified because Mucke drove less than 35 min.

If that truly is the case then what a shame, a really silly way to lose a good result. I can't say I saw the whole race so I don't know if there was any safety car intervention that caused them to make an early strategic pitstop or something, but you would think that at this level you would have someone on the pitwall with a stopwatch to time how long one of the drivers is in the car for!

The359 · 8 Jul 2007, 23:32 (Ref:1958076)

If Mucke drove less then 35 minutes, then why wasn't the Vitaphone Maserati disqualified at Zhuhai? Bartels drove less then 35 minutes and was only penalized with failing to score drivers point.

The FIA site also says both cars failed tech inspection, what would tech inspection have to do with driver time?

The359 · 9 Jul 2007, 01:02 (Ref:1958094)

The-Paddock now says that the #7 All-Inkl was excluded for a gearbox infraction. Not sure what, specifically.

**chunterer** · 9 Jul 2007, 08:56 (Ref:1958293)

Great, one thing guaranteed to assist the 'anti GT1' cause is potentially over the top officialdom.

Fine if a car's clearly underweight, understandable. If one driver does demonstrably less time than permitted then that is too.

But if we're talking about a simple mix up or something and the time difference probably doesn't effect the end result then surely a bit of commone sense prevails?

I may be a little carried away but I love the class and I want it protected not damaged at such a key time for the future of GT racing.

canam · 9 Jul 2007, 10:49 (Ref:1958438)

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Originally Posted by cmk

I love the utter absence of details concerning the disqualifications on the official website. Typical FIA-GT press quality - what, you mean you wanted us to give you real and substantial information about our series? Why ever, my dear? Clear and transparent process, here we come!

Very similar to what the ACO have done about the Charouz story. If they were in FIAGT, however, at least some action would have been taken regarding the illegal restrictors.

The Badger · 9 Jul 2007, 19:55 (Ref:1958997)

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Originally Posted by The359

The-Paddock now says that the #7 All-Inkl was excluded for a gearbox infraction. Not sure what, specifically.

Anybody got any idea what a gearbox infraction could mean ? I must admit , that sounds baffleing !!!

The Badger · 9 Jul 2007, 19:57 (Ref:1958999)

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Originally Posted by canam

Very similar to what the ACO have done about the Charouz story.

Charouz story ..... what was that about then ?

Graham Goodwin · 9 Jul 2007, 19:58 (Ref:1959000)

All it needs to be is a gearbox that doesn't match the homologation

The359 · 9 Jul 2007, 21:44 (Ref:1959107)

Would be odd for the one Lambo to have an illegal gearbox and not the other?

mirkob · 10 Jul 2007, 06:13 (Ref:1959270)

The Lambo used a 4th reports/ratios of final, differente for the three approved for the season:

http://www.endurance-info.com/articl...rder=0&thold=0

The359 · 10 Jul 2007, 08:22 (Ref:1959372)

I wonder how far off the ratio was?

geeteeone · 10 Jul 2007, 15:31 (Ref:1959780)

Funny how there were two disqualifications for this race, for two entirely different reasons, whereas usually we don't get any. I wonder if the scrutineers were being unusually over zealous at this race?

mirkob · 10 Jul 2007, 15:34 (Ref:1959781)

Kumpen/Longin said the fuel tank is the same since P&M used the 2004

:-|

Tim the Grey · 10 Jul 2007, 15:57 (Ref:1959809)

There is apparently an appeal ongoing. It may be that the car cannot suck up the last 2 litres, so effectively it's legal.
Kind of thing?

What a shame if it is. They drove so damn well, and I doubt they gained ANY advantage from this.

cg7aa · 10 Jul 2007, 16:10 (Ref:1959819)

Quote:

Originally Posted by cmk

I love the utter absence of details concerning the disqualifications on the official website. Typical FIA-GT press quality - what, you mean you wanted us to give you real and substantial information about our series? Why ever, my dear? Clear and transparent process, here we come!

Having just checked the official website, I know what you mean! I love the fact that many of the front page stories have a 'read more' button which when clicked brings up the same story. I thought 'read more' inferred there was more detail!

geeteeone · 10 Jul 2007, 16:21 (Ref:1959829)

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Originally Posted by Tim the Grey

What a shame if it is. They drove so damn well, and I doubt they gained ANY advantage from this.

That's the stupid thing - with the new 2 hours / 2 pitstops format, it's unlikely that the tank would ever be filled to the brim anyway - so fuel capacity becomes largely irrelevant.

I'll be very annoyed if PK can't keep the win, I've been waiting for the Kumpen/Longin pairing to win this season. Watching them at Silverstone, Kumpen was noticably more committed through Becketts than almost anyone else, and all this in the 'old girl' C5-R.

cg7aa · 10 Jul 2007, 17:07 (Ref:1959870)

Can anyone enlighten me please, just what happened between the Deletraz/Hezemans corvette and the Ramos/Montanari MC12, if anything? The corvette came in with what looked to me like bent right rear suspension/uprights/wheel (delete as appropraite) and I gather the Maser pitted with some damage at the same time.

Also, it was a real shame JetAlliance's race came to nothing after the first corner. I was really looking forward to them challenging, not that I wasn't happy with the PK Carsport 'win' and the Lambo's podium. Brought a smile to the face...until I read the latest news that is.

On a completely different note, are PSI out for the season?

mirkob · 10 Jul 2007, 17:25 (Ref:1959887)

PSI's C6R run in FFSA GT the last week-end

I think they will be at Spa, Nogaro and Zolder (I hope...)

The Badger · 10 Jul 2007, 19:48 (Ref:1960029)

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Originally Posted by The359

I wonder how far off the ratio was?

Reported on the paddock.net

"The ratio of each single gear and the ratio of the complete gearbox remained the same, yet the stewards decided to exclude the No. 7 entry."

A bit short sighted on the side of Reiter and Fia in my opinion .

cg7aa · 10 Jul 2007, 23:25 (Ref:1960255)

I forgot to ask this in my last post, what exactly was the Scuderia Ecosse pit stop strategy that the commentators on Men and Motors were talking about? I'd love to know the details (not that it was completely successful for them!). Thanks.

cmk · 11 Jul 2007, 05:14 (Ref:1960338)

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Originally Posted by cg7aa

I forgot to ask this in my last post, what exactly was the Scuderia Ecosse pit stop strategy that the commentators on Men and Motors were talking about? I'd love to know the details (not that it was completely successful for them!). Thanks.

Think they're talking about the strategy of pitting as the green flag is thrown to take up one of the two mandatory stops. The same strategy, that is, employed by Bartels and others in GT1... (wrong country for M&M here, of course).

Sean Edwards · 11 Jul 2007, 06:09 (Ref:1960344)

I seem to remember the Vette and Maserati hitting each other at the last corner quite hard and one of them spinning, just after they had lapped me. I will look on the on board video when I get it.

Ecosse pitted before the green light, so they would avoid any T1 mess and not get held up in the first few laps of traffic or fighting for position, it was one way to try and get around the bad tyres for the race...

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