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lol, well knowing how things work in Ireland, it would probably be easier to get a license off of MI.... just tick the boxes and all that! lol
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A Scimiter GTE and Coupe could enter. The fine line that you come up against is that you need to (as Mike Bell said earlier) make the race relevant for the clubman to compete in. No one would enter a race if they didnt think they had a chance of getting a result, be that the podium for overall or best in class...or merely finishing. But one thing that is true, which was mentioned on Sunday and today to me in an e mail...is...on Sunday....did anyone really care if a car was "within spec"? People have said the Jag should not have won as it was in invitation.....but there is nothing in our regs that say that an invitation class could not win.....(maybe we forgot to write it) but again..who cares. That race was magical, there is no better way to put it and what we want to do at 360 is recreate it next year....with a few more cars. We are looking at various options and hope to issue a statement this friday. 360 Motor Racing Club...........Even with just eight cars....Endurance Racing how it should be! |
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I stand to be corrected but the Jag didn't go much faster than my overall best lap from a previous race. It was consistent, which was the aim and demostrates why modified cars and standard cars can compete together in a 6 hour race. Its wheels were non standard but its tyres were 1B. And remember the only car to complete the event trouble free was the Pug!
Had I the time and the money, I'd look at a modified small capacity car 1360 Metro anybody? You can restrict the revs to 7k (a full race one will IIRC go to 8.5k) and still get a lap of around 1:27/28 on 1B tyres. |
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The Jag was driven consistently very well and had one big advantage over some others- a 110 litre fuel tank in the boot floor which could take a churn of fuel much quicker than a standard hatchback type filler. Of course it would have been 'victory for the little guy' if the Pug had won, and having a lot of happy memories rallying them (plus the odd scar!) it would suited me! However, lap times between it, Jag, Corolla and RS2000 were not that different.
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Lets look at what the most popular club level race series are in the UK at the moment (off the top off my head: MX5s (75 of them raced at Silverstone last w/e in 3 grids); MR2's; Production BMWs, Minis, CSCC Swinging Sixties & Future Classics etc etc etc - mostly series that even in the current climate get overscribed grids) and frame the regs around those sorts of cars. |
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I have to ask where the above mentioned got to for the 15th Aug.
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It's a fair question, Terry, but the MX5s, Mk2 MR2s & most of the FCs were not eligible due to being post 1986. Several Swinging Sixties & FC cars were not allowed because the were over 3.5 litres or turbos.
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So, closed cars only then, but that includes saloons, coupes and GTs. Now, if we set aside production numbers for the moment, that would include Gilbern 1800/3000Gts, Scimmie Coupes and GTEs, Rochdale Olympics, MGB & C GTs and what about the Sabre Six GT? Perhaps we could persuade Mr Drabble to get one, since like me he is an afficionado - fitted with an old Ford saloon straight six engine remember. It might be worth actually list the cars eligible, rather than defining it.
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I started that in my head this morning. It would be a looooong list.
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What attracted me was the potential for an eclectic mix of cars - true Clubman spirit. Make it just a feeder for the Spa 6 hours and that goes away. There's been no questions about elgibility here, not like the *****ing that goes on in these very pages regarding anything with the words "Appendix K" alongside it.
So the Jag that won was a rorty hot rod. So what? It didn't win by much. And we beat a full Appx K car in David's shopping car. Just shows what SIX HOUR racing is really about. As for dates, we really do need to keep the early 80s cars. Just because they are still "modern" in the minds of us old f*rts, they are old to the youngsters coming into racing today. And if we're to make this "germ of an idea" last, it needs to attract people outside our current circle. Whilst I enjoy 1a tyres, let's be realistic - if there are series running 1bs, that may put a barrier in the way of potential entrants if they have to buy wheels/tyres just for the one race. Altho 1a is a great leveller...perhaps fire off some surveys during the closed season to see what the clubs actually want? Get some flyers under windscreens at race meetings. Finally in this diatribe. With the greatest of respect to those requesting otherwise, the whole idea of the 360MRC is to give those of us who don't do Spa etc somewhere to play. Please leave OUR game alone! If the event is attractive to you, I know where there's a CLASS WINNING MG Montego for sale, and for probably less than your catering bill for a Masters round Last edited by midgetman; 19 Aug 2010 at 08:15. |
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it has truely made me smile The thing about the tyres is a valid point, but, as was also moted to me, by one of the competitors actually is that "for a six hour race, you are gonna end up buying a set of tyres anyway....so i dont care what you make me run it in"... All food for thought and please do keep it coming. C |
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Seriously, given the grid size last Sunday, the organisers could be forgiven for looking at post 1986 cars. However, the more I think about it the more I think that 1986 is a good cut off point provided you guys not only commit, but spread the word beyond the 10-Tenths net. The idea was born here but this is, as I have said before, a 'back to the roots' club endurance race, so it goes well beyond solely the 10-Tenths catchment area. 8 cars turned out to be surprisingly successful, particularly as the grid was so eclectic. But now multiply that variety by 5 - what a grid that would make, and Snetterton can take it, so it's doable. |
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You may get just as good a day (in a different way) with a full grid but I doubt it'll ever have that same feel to it again. |
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I think that you are right, Tim. Next time, it has to be 'special' in a different way!
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No probs. Scrap heap challenge.
Cars I can think of right now: Alfa Romeo - Sud Sprint, GTV Austin - Mini Clubman GT BMW - 2002/535/325/635, M3 Fiat ??? Ford - Escort Mk1/2/3, Capri Mk 1/2/3, Sierra Cosworth/XR4/XR4x4, Fiesta XR2 Hillman - Avenger GT (or even Tiger) Jaguar - XJS (yes I know its more than 3.5l)/XJ12 Lancia - Beta Motecarlo, Fulvia Morris - Mini Clubman GT MG - BGT/BGTV8/CGT, Metro Nissan 240Z NSU - TT Opel - Commodore/Manta Peugeot - 205 Reliant - Scimitar Rover - P6/SD1 3500/Vitesse, Tomcat, 216 Triumph - TR7/TR8 (Coupe) Vauxhall - Viva, Firenza Volkswagon - Golf GTi Mk1/2/3, Vento Just a few to be getting on with. |
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Yes its true, I said this to John and Terry....we really have now got to live up to what we did last sunday and I know that just sounds soooo weird for anyone who wasnt there and is looking in thinking with a puzzled look "but.....there was only.....eight cars!!" but its true, Tim has hit the nail on the head...but we will try to make every year special, which is why its important to get the balance of the field right along with the surrounding off track activities etc
So..I spose I will have to get onto RAF Lakenheath again! |
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Would widening the entry criteria help (or hinder)? The Caterhams in my series are effectively 1970s cars (live-axle, 8v-engines) but built in the 90s, which currently excludes them. With only 100bhp and 1A tyres, they lap Snett in 1:28-ish. You don't want Radicals or their ilk in this sort of race but perhaps allowing cars "which compliment the grid" might boost entries??
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