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The organizers of the Nürburgring 1000k race lost money every single year they had an LMS race at the track - for next year they opted for FIA GT1 instead of LMS and hope to break even with that. FIA GT at Oschersleben drew considerably larger crowds than LMS ever did at the 'Ring. |
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Remember that 300 is the minimum needed for the new FIA GT rules.
The engine would not really be the hard part, it's production based Nissan truck V8. |
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The company is understood to have studied a variety of options to keep the team alive, notably selling it to the management or to a third party, but the conclusion reached was that it would be cheaper to simply close it down, given the redundancies that would have been required as a result of the plans that were agreed by the Formula One Teams Association (FOTA) to bring down F1 staffing levels. The news will be a major blow for the staff in Cologne, many of them who relocated to Germany to work for the team. There is no other F1 activity in the region as Mercedes-Benz currently does almost all of its F1 work in Britain. The nearest F1 team is Sauber in Switzerland. http://joesaward.wordpress.com/2009/...firms-pullout/ |
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'particularly with the whole 'green technology' thing that F1 has ignored for so many years.'
Just about the only good thing they(F1) did in recent years,not jumping on the silly 'green fuels' band wagon... |
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I think getting a greener image is a good thing, it has to be now, although I'm not keen on the silent cars it is producing!
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There is a comment article on DSC which speculates that F1's loss could be Le Mans gain. I cant read the detail as my subscription has lapsed, however DSC never usually write stuff without there being some substance behind it.
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Whether you think global warming is anthropogenic or not is totally irrelevent as the media and politicians think it is anthropogenic. As such racing had to adapt to this. |
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What is there for toyota to aim for at LM?
First japanesse car marker to win LM? already done First japanesse driver to win LM? already done First diesel car to win LM? already done First hybrid to win? now that would appeal. Like it or not the direction motorsport will take over the coming years is going to need to refect the changing market. Hybrids/fuel cell cars are going to be a large part of the market now that they attract tax savings and the supply costs are falling. Being the first Hybrid to win LM will be a target worth aiming for and Motorsport has long been used to bring forward new ideas. |
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anthropogenic.
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Nordic, about the first ones. Wasn't that the same when they re-entered in '98? I agree, I expect them to do something hybrid.
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It really was a lovely car the GTone, if toyota do come back I can only hope some of the spirt of the that and the earlier TS010 is captured. |
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The Nissan GT-R GT1 was built to a different set of rules than all of it's competitors except the Ford GT, which the GT-R was faster by the end of the year. You cannot compare it to the C6.R, MC12 and DBR9, which were racing to a different set of rules. They took a development mule, and raced it in public, a year in advance of the actual class introduction. That development mule is also not the final product that will be raced this year.
If someone introduced a 2011 rules LMP-1, and raced it at LM this year, would we consider it to be a car with no future, because it wouldn't be able to compete with current rules LMP's? |
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The Japanese have not won Le Mans, and you could even go so far as to say ORECA won it for them, with no Japanese drivers in the car. If a Japanese car won with Japanese drivers in it, then I don't think the Japanese public could give a flying fish as to how they did it, hybrid or no hybrid. If Toyota were to enter LM the best way to promote the brand would be to shove some Japanese drivers in a works Toyota on the top step of the podium at Le Sarthe. They can not fail again. Money spent on developing a competitive hybrid system is money wasted which could have been spent on developing the outright performance of a bog-standard LMP petrol. |
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when it comes down to it, one of the arguments for Toyota making a new sportscar is the potential it has for long-term future marketing. Nearly a decade of F1 and no-one will remember any of the cars from that period. Yet how many people have made a connection with the GTOne from games such as Gran Turismo, Forza and the other ones. When I tell people I'm going to Le Mans each year, someone will invariably ask me if there'll be cars like the Toyota or Bentley and this is usually where they've discovered it. This year's Aston has the same potential if they're able to follow the same 'cult' placement route.
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There are now reports that that from the current 700 staff at Cologne about 150 will be saved.
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700 staff, it was over 1,100 a year ago.
Where did you here this, got a link? |
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But the link: http://paddocktalk.com/news/html/mod...opic=8&catid=0 A Toyota staff member has told Germany's Auto Motor und Sport magazine that, following the announcement of the carmaker's withdrawal from formula one, he heard rumours that only 150 employees will remain at Cologne for the next racing project. About 700 staff currently work on the team's F1 engine and chassis programmes in Junkersdorf, in the west of Cologne. One option for the withdrawing owners of F1 teams is to sell the operation as a going concern, but team president John Howett said on Wednesday that he believes Toyota Motorsport GmbH will instead be scaled down in order to participate in "grassroots motor sport". Le Mans has been mentioned as a likely alternative. Toyota Motorsport GmbH = absorbed TTE Last edited by deggis; 6 Nov 2009 at 11:06. |
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