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Okay, I was trying to give you a chance. I even had typed a reply like yours in my post before but deleted it before posting. You blew it, thank you. You just confirmed that you are the fanboy I thought you were. Makes ignoring your posts easier from now on.
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The words that picture tells me are that the cars are both competitive. Vettel drove his car to better results early season, and now Hamilton is taking advantage of Ferrari's problems. |
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what's the point of comparing one driver against another anyway?
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OK folks time to quit with the personal attacks and references to body parts. This is a family friendly forum. There have been some warnings handed out already any more and it'll be full infractions. |
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I been a motorsport fan all my life because I love racing cars, but have little interest in drivers other than being a helmet poking from a car on a sunday afternoon, I always find it strange and a little pervy how some people invest so much love/hatred towards people they do not and will not ever know
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The post above Kempi's and the post immediately preceding yours offer no opinion that Ferrari as a team and car is significantly better than Mercedes. If we assume you are referring to the YouTube link, then what I hear is a montage of commentary clips and a wide range of comments from people who have viewed the video. Amongst the comments, I struggle to find anyone who backs up your claim that the Ferrari is better than the Mercedes. The general tone (amongst hundreds of comments) can be summarised: 'ferrari [...] Making an O-K car but never getting the championship' 'Is Mercedes' engine made out of tank armor? That sh*t is bullet proof' 'that is the difference between German Engineering and Italian Engineering ' 'the team needs to get there act together if not they fail apparently Mercedes stepped up there game' 'Ferrari and Apple are same . They both give us expectations but disappoint in the end'...... |
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People will go to great lengths to formulate an argument over why their driver is the best, and accept the good natured humour in sometimes increasingly ridiculous points being made. Others can be good to comment on how, as situations develop, a clear 'victor' emerges between the two drivers concerned. Others though can get a bit depressing, where individuals will attempt to portray their extreme bias as a sensible, well developed argument. When they are called out on something though, or feel that they are struggling to maintain their position with any credibility, they will resort to childish accusations and vain attempts to drag those who counter their position into aggressive and abusive positions. Sadly, this thread is in the latter category sometimes. |
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16 Oct 2017, 21:42 (Ref:3774568) | #62 | ||
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Seriously though loon, have you ever tried to watch a series where you don't know any of the drivers with the sound turned off? There is something missing? Motor racing to me is a whole package, and it is interesting to see how the various performance differentiators work, and it is clear that the driver is still, thankfully, a major performance differentiator. One of my gripes with the current PU's is that they are black boxes and therefore just unknown quantities or methods, and therefore of little interest. Where does the advantage lie, what are the opposition doing to make up the deficit, who knows? |
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Seb, still not at that point and prone to doing silly things like wrecking post-race. He'll often stuff up qualifying. But you don't win 4 consecutive titles by being a driver far inferior to another driver that was beaten by his team mate to the title. The Singapore incident, to be honest he didn't hit Verstappen. He did the Schuey chop but it was Verstappens knee-jerk reaction that ended up causing the big crash. Both Hamilton and Vettel can do some fantastic on edge laps, probably more so Vettel at taking that car to the limit and beyond. Hamilton just hasn't needed to in recent years. He seems to get the speed out of it without hardly trying. I guess they've just developed that thing around him and poor Bottas can drive as hard as he can but won't do the time at the end of the lap. At this point in their careers I do think Hamilton has the edge over Vettel, but it's close. I do wonder what sort of lead Ferrari would have in the title race if Alonso was in the team. I'd love to see Verstappen team mate to either one of them, see if he can beat them. |
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I think that is a quite fitting description. Hamilton has matured tremendously, maybe even just because Rosberg beat him last year.
There are less reports about his off-track behavior (for whatever reasons) and he simply delivers on track. The car makes it easy for him but he still needs to deliver (just as Vettel in 2010-2013). Currently Hamilton is better than Vettel because he currently is better at taking advantage of weak performances of his title rival. |
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Hamilton was only outscored by Jenson once, in 2011, IIRC
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A recent BBC podcast had a contribution from Mercedes who said that this year, Hamilton has worked harder behind the scenes than ever before. They also said that he was more open in his feedback - possibly due to having a teammate working with him. Perhaps his step up is down to a lack of challenge from his teammate?
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Who knows? All I know is it seems to have helped him on track
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On reflection I was not 100% honest about my appreciation of drivers, I was indeed delighted when Marco Apicella became all japan champion back in 94, porco spino!!
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The main conclusion from that for me is that Button is a fine peddler. I see it that way rather than a slight on Hamilton.
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Button was very good at being gentle on his car, but Lewis could get more out of a car that was struggling. Especially in 2012. Button had a narrow operating window
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