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29 Nov 2020, 14:37 (Ref:4019409) | #51 | ||
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29 Nov 2020, 14:37 (Ref:4019410) | #52 | ||
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Probably should be protected a bit better, seem to be a lot of these barriers poking around where you think "hmm, bit dodgy that". Not that you can cover every eventuality. |
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29 Nov 2020, 14:38 (Ref:4019411) | #53 | ||
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Happy to see Roman get away with that, seemingly, for the most part. I have some strong opinions of the man and that type of barrier, but I'll hold those and just hope to have a safe finish today and have him fully recover.
Edit Just seeing it again. I can't believe he got out of that. Unbelievable |
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29 Nov 2020, 14:43 (Ref:4019412) | #54 | ||
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Incredible demonstration of the safety of modern F1 cars. Astonishing.
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29 Nov 2020, 14:44 (Ref:4019413) | #55 | ||
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That close up of Grosjean getting out, jumping almost literally into the arms of Dr Ian Roberts, as Alan van der Merwe, with the fire extinguisher from the back of the medical car spraying it over them.
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He must have been doing about 130-140 Mph and hit the barrier at roughly a 45˚ angle but somehow he went through the barrier, it didn't fold up.
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Can be improved. Obviously. But it can’t be night and day different. More barriers that absorb energy even on the straight would help at the moment they aren’t always in those areas where impacts are unlikely. Another improvement would be massive run offs on the straights as well as the corners. Of course, the real improvements, as we have seen, are with the car. And it did pretty well. |
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29 Nov 2020, 14:46 (Ref:4019416) | #58 | ||
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Greem, what do you think of the angle of the barrier in relation to the track? Does not seem a safe way to create an opening to get cars through. His velocity perpendicular to the track didn't seem that big. |
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29 Nov 2020, 14:48 (Ref:4019417) | #59 | ||
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There are other ways to create access. Two parallel barriers with the second off-set to the rear does also create access without create such an angle. |
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29 Nov 2020, 14:52 (Ref:4019418) | #60 | ||
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But... It's the way it is there because of the multi-circuit layout of the track. There's a right turn for one layout just before where he hit, and I would suggest that having it set back makes the alternate layout safer. |
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29 Nov 2020, 14:53 (Ref:4019419) | #61 | ||
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Yes, of course, can always be better, but the reason the angle was odd was mainly down to how he went off rather than that gap.
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29 Nov 2020, 14:54 (Ref:4019420) | #62 | ||
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I'd like to see the SAFER barrier installed at more tracks. It's not an "oval-only" solution, it'd work superbly at all sorts of tracks. |
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Saying on commentary that people think only a couple of litres of fuel (from the fuel collector) caught fire. Makes sense - 110kg of fuel going up would be a colossal and unsurvivable explosion.
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Even on ovals there are differences to the barriers on the straight and the corners. (As greem says the time to really have this conversation is not now, so I may change my mind later) |
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29 Nov 2020, 15:00 (Ref:4019424) | #66 | ||
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I’ve just heard that. I think more than a couple. It was still going though, so I guess, it was still leaking?
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29 Nov 2020, 15:01 (Ref:4019425) | #67 | |
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I’m sorry but that isn’t a fuel fire. That’s a battery fire
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Those pictures of Grosjean climbing out of the fire are just...omg. |
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The more they show replays, the more incredible Grosjean’s escape is.
Total credit to all the marshals reacting as quickly as they did. |
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I'm also thankful that the Marshalls in the safety vehicle had a better fire can than the corner workers: utterly useless
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My son and I are watching a bit delayed. Insane accident. I was sure he was badly injured or dead. Glad he was out mostly ok. Images are quite shocking. Safety measured worked, but give how it played out, he was still super luck.
I expect lessons to come out of this. My main concern is ability to spear through the armco as easily as it did. Kudos to medical car team. I say this with great respect for marshals, but the one behind the fence with the extinguisher. Can anyone speak the how much practical training is provided to them on how to use an extinguisher? Richard |
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The Bahrain marshals are pretty experienced, but I can't speak for their individual training.
What you have to remember though is that you can see three of them having to vacate the area PDQ when Grosjean headed for the barrier, and then they had to come back with extinguishers from away from the incident. Whatever training they do get, it will start with "if you can feel the heat you are too close" and that will be repeated throughout. No point getting burned yourself. |
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