2008 sporting regulations - Page 3

Pingguest · 27 Mar 2006, 18:41 (Ref:1562569)

Formula 1 really becomes a joke. Formula 1 was the pinnacle of motorsport once. Nowadays it's the joke of motorsports.

Dutton · 27 Mar 2006, 18:54 (Ref:1562573)

Presumably the teams will just invest their money into those specific areas?

Marbot · 28 Mar 2006, 00:35 (Ref:1562877)

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Originally Posted by Dutton

Presumably the teams will just invest their money into those specific areas?

hmmm.....i wonder.....just how many millions is it possible to spend on piston and valve development without actually to be seen benefiting from it?

Dutton · 28 Mar 2006, 00:37 (Ref:1562879)

Well, suppose the regulations work and reduce spending on engines.

They are just going to go and spend it somewhere else.

Marbot · 28 Mar 2006, 01:38 (Ref:1562914)

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Originally Posted by Dutton

Well, suppose the regulations work and reduce spending on engines.

They are just going to go and spend it somewhere else.

Remember that other regulation whereby any newly introduced technology will be looked at by the FIA to see if it is 'relevant' to F1,if not,it will only be allowed to be used until the end of that season and then the technology is handed over to the FIA.

I can't see any team willing to do that!

Dutton · 28 Mar 2006, 02:20 (Ref:1562930)

I was more thinking in terms of the standard development of other aspects of the package.

rocketracer · 28 Mar 2006, 04:53 (Ref:1562988)

they've lost the plot with these proposed regulations. they do nothing for making better racing on track, do nothing for making more interesting cars, do nothing but rob part of the exotic heritage that is F1.

As a fan, i would hope that one team makes a breakthrough and is able to rev an engine to 25,000rpm in the next few years... who doesnt? that's more likely to relate to a car i drive in the future than a revised bargeboard design for instance...

and having a more efficient aero package makes the cars on track behaviour bland, especially when watching on tv.

Why couldn't the FIA propose aero restrictions like having an aero blueprint submitted by teams before the season for a whole season, or two, therefore lessening the cost of wind tunnels and their operation which is one of the biggest (and growing) modern cost to teams in F1? And only allow 1 engine upgrade per season or something? still keep the development but regulates its benefit...

I think we all want to see the best drivers shine, rather than to think they win because their team have the money to run their wind tunnel(s) with more personnel which is where all the money will go...

rocketracer · 28 Mar 2006, 05:01 (Ref:1562993)

oh and less aero means "soft clock" drivers like trulli can't blame their poor race pace on "something didn't feel right" aero glitches

Nismo · 28 Mar 2006, 06:51 (Ref:1563048)

shall we all send our views to the sun news paper on how max is making a mockery of f1.. and how he has flipped? with the spin the sun would put on it would make an funny read!

stupid ****!!

Mekola · 28 Mar 2006, 22:26 (Ref:1563791)

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Originally Posted by Draven

Lets face it, cost saving is a noble aim, but major technology freezes like this will only disrupt the sport in the long term. I'm starting to get very angry with the way the new agreement is heading, Max of 12 teams (biggest mistake in F1 history), and now long term engine designs. Well the pre season build up is going to be nicly killed off, no new teams, and no new engines to look forward too. Lets hope liverys change regularly so that we have somthing nice and meaningless to talk about in january.

I agree that exclusiveness in number of teams and severe tech restrictions in F1 could harm the series itself in the long way, but I think the max limit of 12 teams, as it was the U$S 48M bond for new teams, is a result to the politics initiated at mid-1990s to lure "manufacturers only" in F1. As worldwide big car manufacturers companies are in general around 10, the limit of 12 is understandable. Now it's part of the belief to see F1 as "the pinnacle of technology".
Then, we still have the hope to pray for optional three-car teams in order to strenght the grids (12 teams could bring up to 36 cars).

Marbot · 29 Mar 2006, 00:33 (Ref:1563860)

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Originally Posted by Mekola

Then, we still have the hope to pray for optional three-car teams in order to strenght the grids (12 teams could bring up to 36 cars).

The main reason for 12 teams is garage space.Even modern circuits like Sepang and Bahrain only have space for 12 teams and 2 cars per team.

TwoSheds · 29 Mar 2006, 11:52 (Ref:1564125)

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Originally Posted by martyn bott

The main reason for 12 teams is garage space.Even modern circuits like Sepang and Bahrain only have space for 12 teams and 2 cars per team.

Maybe they could reduce the amount of equipment teams bring to each race and hence free up some space in each garage for extra cars, although most teams have three (or sometimes four?) cars per garage even now what with spare cars.

Draven · 29 Mar 2006, 12:42 (Ref:1564148)

I dont believe that in one of the worlds biggest sports there would not ba a way to house more than 12 teams at a GP, especially considering that there asre racing formula with grids of more than 24 cars that also use these circuits.

Dutton · 29 Mar 2006, 16:16 (Ref:1564277)

If the number of entries is limited, then the value of the teams taking part increases.

Just a thought.

Marbot · 29 Mar 2006, 16:55 (Ref:1564310)

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Originally Posted by Dutton

If the number of entries is limited, then the value of the teams taking part increases.

Just a thought.

Also it would mean that Bernie's 'prize money' would be spread evermore thinly among the teams.

Dutton · 29 Mar 2006, 17:00 (Ref:1564315)

You mean less teams = less total %?

I would've thought that if there was a bunch more teams Bernie would just make them spread the same total % amongst themselves.

Pingguest · 30 Mar 2006, 08:55 (Ref:1564970)

The limit of 12 teams doesn't make much sense to me. The FIA wants to attract more teams and that's why it will introduce ridiculous regulations. But on the other hand, only 12 teams are allowed to take part.

At this moment we already have 11 teams competing. Formula 1 has two more cars at the start than the less expensive IRL. So, would a 12th team really add something?

Mekola · 30 Mar 2006, 09:38 (Ref:1565010)

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Originally Posted by martyn bott

The main reason for 12 teams is garage space.Even modern circuits like Sepang and Bahrain only have space for 12 teams and 2 cars per team.

I know what means "garage space". It means "garage space in futuristic, ultra-modern style, with plenty space on a pitlane garage, in spite of see a F1 team as the pinnacle of motorsport itself".
In fact, most of F1 tracks have enough garage space to put 21 racing teams if they want, as they did in 1989, but some of them would have reduced space to do their work if they wanted to put all together on pitlane garages, and this could "harm" team image, relationship with sponsors et al.
I don't agree fully with this mood of thinking, GP2 teams are 13 and they can't use pitlane garages, just have to put the cars in front of them, and later moving to other boxes or tends situated at other garage areas. And there are no problem for them.

HighlandCall · 30 Mar 2006, 16:18 (Ref:1565290)

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Originally Posted by Mekola

Then, we still have the hope to pray for optional three-car teams in order to strenght the grids (12 teams could bring up to 36 cars).

Then, we would have to bring back pre qualifying!

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