DMN 2008 - drivers, cars, regs?

[graham bahr]

Originally Posted by grichie87

So far Richard has been dominant in is class with his 205 dont think he has been beaten much in his class .

jason watkins was also totally dominant a few years back funny but no one was saying he should be penalised, so its not just richard that can pedal fast in a class D/E car, im afraid it all sounds rather like sour grapes, theres nothing really trick or very special about the cars richard runs, they are genuine home brewed but well thought out cars, that richard drives well, instead of complaining about being beaten we should be looking to raise our games

[chezza]

Following on from what Graham has said as I have to say I am getting tired of the constant digs, whinges and god knows what else, and to steal a phrase from one our drivers..."put up, raise your game or shut up".

There are official channels for your complaints/comments and HERE is not one of them.

[Eric Falce]

Originally Posted by chezza

Following on from what Graham has said as I have to say I am getting tired of the constant digs, whinges and god knows what else, and to steal a phrase from one our drivers..."put up, raise your game or shut up".

There are official channels for your complaints/comments and HERE is not one of them.

I dont beleive it,at last someone has said what the majority of us think,or to put it another way,if you dont like the series,there are plenty of other series you can have a go at.What has made this the most succesful series in recent saloon car club racing,(apart from me being there) is the fact it has been easy to enter,and if your a good driver(Jason and Richard being good examples) you can go out and win.Chezza has put it a nutshell,we all make the rules for our series,if you want to change them,October is the time,not now and NOT ON HERE.

[Jamie G]

Originally Posted by chezza

Following on from what Graham has said as I have to say I am getting tired of the constant digs, whinges and god knows what else, and to steal a phrase from one our drivers..."put up, raise your game or shut up".

There are official channels for your complaints/comments and HERE is not one of them.

Originally Posted by graham bahr

jason watkins was also totally dominant a few years back funny but no one was saying he should be penalised, so its not just richard that can pedal fast in a class D/E car, im afraid it all sounds rather like sour grapes, theres nothing really trick or very special about the cars richard runs, they are genuine home brewed but well thought out cars, that richard drives well, instead of complaining about being beaten we should be looking to raise our games

Could not agree more, well said!

[Al Weyman]

Now now chaps calm down, this is how the rot set in in the ModProds championship and look what happened there from over 150 car owning members to what 20 odd and now no more, don't let it happen here as you have a good thing going!

BTW I found the reason why my new Chevy engine promply consummed a gallon plus of water in about a minute of start up, it had a seriously porus cylinder head so if I can get my finger out and rebuild and install it back in the car over the weekend I may still see you guys at Snett, fingers crossed!

[graham bahr]

BTW I found the reason why my new Chevy engine promply consummed a gallon plus of water in about a minute of start up, it had a seriously porus cylinder head so if I can get my finger out and rebuild and install it back in the car over the weekend I may still see you guys at Snett, fingers crossed!

Al im gald for you that those chevy V8s are so reliable.....

..... otherwise you would permantly have them in bits

[Al Weyman]

Yeah I seem to be having a run of bad luck thats for sure mind you ain't we all.

[R59]

Oi! is he maligning Chevy V8's? Eh? Eh?

Don't mention cracked heads..... leading to aerosol water systems...

[Al Weyman]

I have the head pulled apart and as I expected when the spring seats were opened up its punctured into the water jacket on one of them, bloody tough luck that, anyone know how to weld cast iron!

[graham bahr]

i think the best way to "weld" cast iron is actually to braize it

[Rod Birley]

Until it is nice and succulent, chuck in a few spuds etc...

[peter thurston]

Then send it to Ultraseal in slough Al to have it resin impregnated.Works everytime!!pete

[bdwoody]

al we have a clever piece of kit called eutectic its a kind of metal sprayer that deposits particals of molten metal on to various metals (cast iron /brass bronze/ally) like cast iron handles /wheels and such like ,there may be some one in your area that may have such a bit of kit to sort your problem .

[Al Weyman]

Thanks guys I am looking at various options my mate has a pal who prepares his car and if anyone knows how to he will as he has welded cast steel for me and alloy, he is on holiday at the moment. I have another set of small block heads here that I had ported years ago and the guy got carried away in places but it has been brazed up and looks to be a good repair.

[grichie87]

Originally Posted by chezza

Following on from what Graham has said as I have to say I am getting tired of the constant digs, whinges and god knows what else, and to steal a phrase from one our drivers..."put up, raise your game or shut up".

There are official channels for your complaints/comments and HERE is not one of them.

Sorry but I thought this was a motorsport forum, this IS the place to talk about all things motorsport and the thread is called drivers, car, regs so whats the problem? I dont think this should be hidden behind closed doors, we have nothing to hide.
Jason won the championship once, and has won his class several times but not the class and every race for the last 4 years! You cant compare Rod and Jason.
Why is it that if you raise a question or talk about a point of 'law' you are told if you dont like it go and race somewhere else? or 'put up or shut up' I am quite happy in this series and have raised my game over the last seasons thanks very much.
One very good and well liked racer has pulled out of the series this year, maybe if he raised his views here and we all spoke about them it may have been avoided.
Graham

[grichie87]

Originally Posted by graham bahr

jason watkins was also totally dominant a few years back funny but no one was saying he should be penalised, so its not just richard that can pedal fast in a class D/E car, im afraid it all sounds rather like sour grapes, theres nothing really trick or very special about the cars richard runs, they are genuine home brewed but well thought out cars, that richard drives well, instead of complaining about being beaten we should be looking to raise our games

Jason is not racing this year so that is not an issue, when a class D or E car leads the race or finishes in the top 3 or 4 against all the other oppersition there is something special and trick about the car and driver.
If you admit that Jason was 'totally dominant' a few years ago why wasnt he given and weight penaltys in keeping with the rules??? No one is complaining about being beeten, the paddock is a very friendly place and I am the first to shake hands with Jason,Richard and everyone who I race against. I am not sure why it is only the officals that are getting heated everyone else is having a open and friendly discussion, we should stick to the problem and not the person.
graham

[R59]

Originally Posted by Al Weyman

Thanks guys I am looking at various options my mate has a pal who prepares his car and if anyone knows how to he will as he has welded cast steel for me and alloy, he is on holiday at the moment. I have another set of small block heads here that I had ported years ago and the guy got carried away in places but it has been brazed up and looks to be a good repair.

If you get stuck Al, a friend of mine specialises in things historic (like Bugatti's, and even veterans from the turn of the last century) - and the year before last he had a 190-something cough and spit type veteran engine to repair which suffered a major fracture - a quarter of one of it's "heads" broke off, sectioned down one valve. It was a blind-cylinder job, and he sent it to a company in the midlands who specialise it. They did such a good job that when my friend re-cut the valve seats, bearing in the mind that the repair left two joins in one of them, it machined like it was perfect unblemished iron.

I forgot that those F5000 heads were iron. I thought they'd be alloy.

Rob.

[Al Weyman]

I have emailed them the guy who sold me the heads recommended them probably the same, they have confirmed they can do it for around the 200 quid mark. If the F5000 engines had to be stricky chevrolet they would be cast iron as chevrolet did not have a reliable production alloy head back then. I will check it out in a minute as I have a book on an F5000 engine build.

[BertMk2]

Dragging this thread back up - does anyone know how John Cross is getting on with the Mondeo?

[pdd144c]

No progress as of yet with the Mondeo, as we are all moving into new units in Basingstoke and that's taking up most of his time. He now has a Seat Leon which he'll be using for the POWERnights series over the summer.

[BertMk2]

Not using the Seat in DMN?

Realistically the Mondeo is one for next season then isn't it? Should be good when it's done

[pdd144c]

Haha we won't go there! Yes realistically it will be all up and running next year. When some progress is made I will update the Xsport website.

[phansa88]

They made a few 4x4 mondeo would this be one ?

[graham bahr]

i doubt it, as i understand it johns mondeo started out as a cossworth YB powered rwd car and johns sticking a V8 in it AKA his focus, which means if its anything like the focus it will go like the clappers in a straight line but corner like all corners are 50 pence piece shaped

[Al Weyman]

It sounded to me that the balance may be a lot better than the Focus with longer wheelbase meaning the engine could be set back far more and I think he told me he was using a transaxle at the rear which will help.