[WEC] Rebellion Racing

[Speed-King]

Originally Posted by MyNameIsNigel

Motorsport-total.com did refer to the NBE-design 4.0l V8 that was used in DTM starting from 2002.

If this is not the engine that "Les Suisses au Mans" are referring to, then which customer engine could this be ?

Any of the other DTM-blocks or Mercedes' V8 Supercar engine come to mind...

[ger80]

NBE already worked on a LMP1 version of the Audi DTM engine (which NBE builds)
I can't see Merc or Beemer give their engines to Rebellion, maybe Opel

[Speed-King]

Originally Posted by ger80

NBE already worked on a LMP1 version of the Audi DTM engine (which NBE builds)
I can't see Merc or Beemer give their engines to Rebellion, maybe Opel

I don't think Opel have much in the way of an inhouse motorsport infrastructure anymore, so that seems kind of doubtful... who was their engine builder in DTM, anyway? Did Holzer do that?

[ger80]

I thought Spiess build them, not sure though

[Speed-King]

Originally Posted by ger80

I thought Spiess build them, not sure though

Yeah, that seems to ring a bell... as they are still in business that could actually work.

With P1L being gone as a separate class, though, manufacturers will probably be extra careful when it comes to being associated with "backmarker*" programs like Rebellion's.

*relative to the factory cars

[joeb]

Originally Posted by Speed-King

Yeah, that seems to ring a bell... as they are still in business that could actually work.

With P1L being gone as a separate class, though, manufacturers will probably be extra careful when it comes to being associated with "backmarker*" programs like Rebellion's.

*relative to the factory cars

I was fairly certain rebellion would use the AER, so I'm intrigued to hear of other engines ready to go. I know there were multiple companies last year saying they would make engines for p1, I just figured nobody was following through on those plans except AER.

[Deleted]

Originally Posted by Speed-King

With P1L being gone as a separate class, though, manufacturers will probably be extra careful when it comes to being associated with "backmarker*" programs like Rebellion's.

But they weren't when there were 20+ LMP1s at LM few years ago and you had no hope finishing ahead any of the diesels back then either.

[mariantic]

Originally Posted by joeb

I was fairly certain rebellion would use the AER, so I'm intrigued to hear of other engines ready to go. I know there were multiple companies last year saying they would make engines for p1, I just figured nobody was following through on those plans except AER.

It was recently suggested I remove reference to AER from the Rebellion entry on my site.

Not saying by whom, but I did...

Mariantic

[joeb]

Originally Posted by mariantic

It was recently suggested I remove reference to AER from the Rebellion entry on my site.

Not saying by whom, but I did...

Mariantic

And the plot thickens!

[MyNameIsNigel]

Originally Posted by mariantic

It was recently suggested I remove reference to AER from the Rebellion entry on my site.

Not saying by whom, but I did...

Mariantic

What was wrong with that reference ?

[Deleted]

Either

A) The reference itself was inappropriate
B) Rebellion and/or their new partner X don't want anyone speculating who's doing the engine supplying as they want to wait til official announcement
C) AER doesn't want to be linked with anyone else than the Kolles gang exclusively (for some reason)
D) Someone's fooling around

[wdave0]

Originally Posted by Chiana

Either

A) The reference itself was inappropriate
B) Rebellion and/or their new partner X don't want anyone speculating who's doing the engine supplying as they want to wait til official announcement
C) AER doesn't want to be linked with anyone else than the Kolles gang exclusively (for some reason)
D) Someone's fooling around

or negotiations are still ongoing and they don't want loose lips queering the pitch.

[MyNameIsNigel]

Well, considering that the AER engine is the only other customer LMP1 engine that has seen races this year, it's quite logic to speculate that this engine could end up at the back of the Rebellion R-One, and many have as a matter of fact relayed that speculation.

So why would one ask such speculative reference to be removed from referencing sites like Mariantic ?

Everybody is free to speculate and, even if one assumes that there is some agreement in place preventing AER and/or Rebellion Racing from talking about possible ongoing discussions, I can't see how such an agreement could be binding upon anyone other than those directly involved in the discussions.

[Speed-King]

Originally Posted by mariantic

It was recently suggested I remove reference to AER from the Rebellion entry on my site.

Not saying by whom, but I did...

Mariantic

To me that doesn't necessarily read like a threat but rather than a friedly notice, tip in the right direction. So the reason to remove it was simply that it was wrong, not anything "bigger".

[joeb]

Originally Posted by Speed-King

To me that doesn't necessarily read like a threat but rather than a friedly notice, tip in the right direction. So the reason to remove it was simply that it was wrong, not anything "bigger".

That's how I saw it too, makes me quite curious!

[mariantic]

Originally Posted by Speed-King

To me that doesn't necessarily read like a threat but rather than a friedly notice, tip in the right direction. So the reason to remove it was simply that it was wrong, not anything "bigger".

Than's how I took it too...

We'll soon see.

Mariantic

[MyNameIsNigel]

Originally Posted by mariantic

Than's how I took it too...

We'll soon see.

Mariantic

Good to know then

[Coach Ep]

Might Rebellion run two different engines in their cars? One Toyota (as the past seasons) and one to be unclosed other engine (not AER)?

[chernaudi]

Unlikely, since Toyota/TMG have canceled their customer engine program effective the end of the season.

It could also be argued why continue to run one engine in one R-One, and another engine in the other, especially as I've mentioned that Toyota has discontinued factory support of the older engines.

[TF110]

Theres no confirmation on Toyota dropping their engine supply. We should wait and see what both parties do. It wont be much longer.

[carbon_titanium]

it's unlikely rebellion will spend money for 2 different engine suppliers. AER would be the best available engine to me, but they would need to update the whole rear structure of the r-one chassis

[fefe]

It´s incredibly quiet from this team. When can we expect some news about the 2015 season/car/drivers from them ?

[MyNameIsNigel]

Originally Posted by fefe

It´s incredibly quiet from this team. When can we expect some news about the 2015 season/car/drivers from them ?

No official news, but the following - rather unfortunate - rumour/news(?) from LesSuissesAuMans who report that, due to the late change of engine supplier, Rebellion Racing might be forced to miss the start of the WEC season to make the necessary changes to accomodate the new (AER or Audi) engine.

Note that the explicit reference to Audi as a possible engine supplier confirms the suspicion of last December where LesSuissesAuMans were referring to a possible engine "originating from Germany".

[Deleted]

What does "start of the season" mean? Paul Ricard Prologue? Paul Ricard and Silverstone? Paul Ricard and Silverstone and Spa? Paul Ricard and Silverstone and Spa and Test Day? More? Can't think how it could take even up to Silverstone TBH unless Oreca has made the chassis awkwardly difficult to modify without breaking everything apart.

In any case, can't they just run the races with the old Toyota in at least one R-One chassis while the second car is "under development" or whatever.

I suppose the 2013-car-grandfathering rule only applied for 2014 so Lolas are out of question?

[seanyb505]

I'd venture Paul Ricard and Silverstone won't be priorities, if there is a delay to the season.