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23 Apr 2012, 15:03 (Ref:3064325) | #726 | |
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2 different ways or point of view to confirm that pescarolo tub is born as a courage tub.
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Maybe you should read http://www.racecar-engineering.com/cars/pescarolo-01/ if you do not believe us. Quote:
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23 Apr 2012, 15:12 (Ref:3064333) | #729 | |
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hoping to end this OT (even if is the pescarolo topic, so maybe is not an OT) the things are in this way: the actual tub of pescarolo cars is a modified c60 based tub (c60 + double roll hope as you wrote before).
Well now the whole thing is becoming about when people can decide that a big or little modifying on a thing make this thing become a totally new and different one from the previous status. That's it. In my opinion, knowing the differences from the original c60 tub, i still think that pescarolo 01/01evo tub is a modified c60 more than a new c60 based tub. Semantics vs. Motorsport. Last edited by alexkiller8; 23 Apr 2012 at 15:28. |
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How ever YOU personally define when a tub is new, is pointless, but the Official is that the Pescarolo 01 used a Pescarolo Tub and the Hybrid used a C60 tub. There is no discussion as the definition is made by ACO. You can therefor go see the entry lists (i suggest RacingSportsCars) and see that the name Courage disappears when the change to LMP900 cars is abandoned. It was the same discussion AMR had with Lola. But back on topic. If Pescarolo has bought the rights for the AMR tub, they can reproduce it, if they want to |
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BTW if you compare http://www.racingsportscars.com/type/Acura/ARX-01.html and http://www.racingsportscars.com/type/HPD/ARX-03.html you will see that the chassis designation also officially changed because Wirth Research made its own monocoque, which is slightly different from the original Courage/Oreca LC70, for the 2012 cars. Last edited by gwyllion; 23 Apr 2012 at 15:47. |
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23 Apr 2012, 15:42 (Ref:3064354) | #732 | |
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AMR / lola discussion was less open to interpretations, because prodrive just built the car on the lola tub without do any modify to the tub. The struggle between lola and prodrive was because meanwhile the lola tub, prodrive would to claim the car as a full AMR car without giving any reference to lola.
BTW i guess that pescarolo won't need to buy/produce other AMR-one tubs for the 2012-2013 period, judging by their not rich budget is really unprobable that next year the team will run with 2 cars, so the 2nd chassis surely will be kept as spare tub. |
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I only mentioned the Lola/AMR case to prove my point of the tub manufacture being mentioned in the name of the car! |
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23 Apr 2012, 21:41 (Ref:3064526) | #734 | |
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Someone I know (who is in the know) has told me a few things about henri's new business partners and these currents delays are making me a bit uneasy about the situation... hope I am wrong...
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That is what the official announcement of Pescarolo says.
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I assume that this major partner is Luxury Racing. In http://www.endurance-info.com/versio...ance-9826.html it is explained that Luxury is partially funding the Pescarolo 03 program. |
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23 Apr 2012, 22:41 (Ref:3064559) | #736 | |
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Interesting. Wonder if Henri is finding out he has chosen the wrong dance partner?
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not good news lets hope they get it sorted in time
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http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pi...19459621397545 #58 is their GTE-Am car, (Ehret/Jakubowski/Farnbacher at Sebring) IIRC. If Luxury are putting funding into the 03 project, and have lost a sponsor or paying driver, causing changes in their driver lineups, then could this be having a knock-on effect at Pescarolo? |
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However, if Luxury dont find new support themselves, the Pescarolo project (luxurys pescarolo project) might be shelved. |
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25 Apr 2012, 13:23 (Ref:3065390) | #743 | |
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The French newspaper Ouest-France has a picture of the 03 being assembled in the Pescarolo workshop: http://www.zimagez.com/zimage/articleouestfrance.php
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judging by the pic can be noticed that the car will use for sure a swan-neck rear wing like the arx-03a instead than a hooking fin support as used by oak in their 2012 cars. The rear and diffuser zone remembers me a bit the one of the dome s102 if will keep this shape in the final version, or maybe will be added some fenders like oak did with his previous pescarolo version.
I confirm my doubts about P&M involvment in a p1 project, an engineering studio can't improvise as lmp1 designer in so short time. |
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The AMR-One rear wing was supported by a single swan neck integrated in the dorsal fin. I doubt that they will have changed that construction on the Pescarolo 03 given the fact that they will use the same rear end (suspension and gearbox).
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25 Apr 2012, 18:15 (Ref:3065506) | #746 | |
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when has been said that they will use the same rear end? the will use the same rear end of the same tub but the rear section of the bodykit where is anchored the base of the rear wing is just a bodykit part that can be attached/detached to the rear area of the chassis/tub, is not an integral part of nothing. To explain better, see these 2 holes in the pic where in my opinion will be anchored the 2 supports of the swan neck. If they really used the AMR-one configuration simply there wasn't any exigence to do these suspect holes. Simple no?
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Those holes are also on a separation line between two pieces of bodywork, they could be used for bodywork clips. We'll see.
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i thought also about latches, but usually the rear part of the bodywork is just a single piece or splitted in the engine hood. Then why to put those latches only in that place and not closer to the wheel arch? btw maybe i'm wrong but for now i think as i said, less than 60 days to reach the truth.
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