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S102.5 development report by Dome
http://www.dome.co.jp/news/news/dt_112.html *Since the engine length is short 10 cm, the adapter plate is inserted between the engine and the gear box. *The front fender was expanded for the bigger front tires. *Weight distribution in front and rear is 48:52 (with 50kg ballast) *Seiji Ara doesn't compete in Spa. |
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If it's fast enough. I think they'll be closer to Rebellion Toyota than 'Toyota' Toyota.
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There's a nuance in there though: they could be closer to Rebellion but slower than them, or closer to Rebellion but faster (2 sec slower than the TS030 but 1 sec faster than the Lolas, for instance)...
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http://www.mulsannescorner.com/newsjan12.html has a short analysis of the S102.5 updates.
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Everything that comes from Dome in terms of PR (not sure if it's even fair to use such a term!) is so different from what we're used to. They seem like just a bunch of passionate racers with a point to prove.
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Toyota didn't need their help but maybe took it, and I think they're butt hurt that Toyota didn't sign on with them or their design. Perhaps they had an agreement to run and Toyota said forget about it, we'll go and do it ourselves? That's just my thinking.
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Partnering up with Oreca (the team who took the Mazda to victory, the only japanese victory) clearly shows that Toyota needed The similarities in cockpit design also indicates that Dome been copied. Dome only builds cars which are either ordered or potential for sale, and since the S102 never has been up for sale, leaves only one option. And there was strong rumors of Toyota running the Supra Hybrid engine in both a S101.5 and the S102. In general i don't think there is much doubt in that Toyota and Dome started this together, but Dome was kicked out when Toyota got what they wanted. |
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What revenge could they possible attain with a Judd V8 engine. Its very much a customer engine so unless they severely optimize the engine they will be short on power. Whereas the Toyota seems to indicate they have just as much power as the Audi.
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in my opinion toyota engine will develope more hp than the audi one because of 2012 restrictors for diesel engines.
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Audi use Joest , Toyota use Oreca , Pug used themselves , and just look at how long it took them to get to the same level as Joest , with respect to pitstops . That was Pugs downfall for a long time .
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That's what I'm getting at. Audi don't need an outside partner, neither do Peugeot. But they'd best be partnered with them to take advantage of their experience in pit-stops and strategy calls etc. This is what Toyota did with Oreca, they didn't leave the car building to them. That's how your comment came off. Like Toyota would be lost without them.
@CTD; About DOME- Mike further says that they anticipated a long-term involvement with Toyota, but that fell apart. So there goes the subject. The specifics aren't that important. Toyota could do well with them, or without them. And now it's the latter DOME seems disappointed and claims 'revenge'. But they never spoke those words. So this seems to be blown out of proportion. They don't even intend to challenge for the win, just to show off their pace. |
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