FIA GT World Championship 2012

[Nic_O]

So no success ballast this year, finally! I've always thought it was useless in a championship with a balance of performance.

[JackN]

Originally Posted by MitchZ06

This hasn't proved you correct because at the time you were wrong

I was correct at the time, I was trying to inform you!

But yeah, nice to see success ballast go. Should make the season a little more consistent.

[Nic_O]

Yep, best teams won't be off the pace in some races because of that. Should provide an even better racing at the front. I wonder if FIA GT3 will keep the time penalty system ?

[urdragon]

Originally Posted by FIRE

You don't know O'Young?

Nope, (Maybe i exaggerated a bit :-0) I've just seen his pretty rallly results, although i would poll for any current GT3 promoted drivers (AVT&T, Enzo ide or Castellacci) better than him, we will see.

Originally Posted by I Rosputnik

If that meant hypercars like the Ferrari 599XX EVO, the Pagani Zonda R or the Lamborghini Sesto Elemento could race then I would be all for it.

That's all we like but it's hard to Balance performance with this superhuge cars, and hard to find enough grid, this cars are better for a GT CUP in part of a champs with multiple classes like Wec or BES cause small grids.
If Ratel changes his mind they could become True GT1 racing at the same time with this year GT3's(what we now call gt1) like LMP's does with GTE at Le mans, Cause if not, they would have a grid with less than 10 cars each year, and 2 teams per car (4 cars) has proved to be bad.

Originally Posted by Nic_O

So no success ballast this year, finally! I've always thought it was useless in a championship with a balance of performance.

Its cool buts it's risky/dangerous too, cause if the BoP fails, the Ballast tends to hide it... Hope the Bop goes well not like last year GT3.

[alexkiller8]

i'm not so happy about the drop of success ballast, because this was used to balance the performances of stronger teams... i guess that this can lead to various bop changes during the season.

[gwyllion]

Todt is willing to give GT1 World Championship another chance in light of difficult economic times.

http://auto-racing.speedtv.com/artic...championships/

[urdragon]

Seems like Audi WRT 2012 outfit:

http://audi-motorsport-blog.blogspot...tions-for.html

I prefered last year design, but I like the Audi rings on the roof!. Also if it is the definitive, it has very similar colours to hexis.

[alexkiller8]

provisional 2012 bop released

GT1 http://private.fia.com/web/fia-public.nsf/vchp/301/$FILE/2012-03-23%20FIA%20GT1%20BoP.pdf?Openelement

GT3 http://private.fia.com/web/fia-public.nsf/vchp/302/$FILE/2012-03-23%20FIA%20GT3%20BoP.pdf?Openelement

[urdragon]

Originally Posted by alexkiller8

provisional 2012 bop released

GT1 http://private.fia.com/web/fia-public.nsf/vchp/301/$FILE/2012-03-23%20FIA%20GT1%20BoP.pdf?Openelement

GT3 http://private.fia.com/web/fia-public.nsf/vchp/302/$FILE/2012-03-23%20FIA%20GT3%20BoP.pdf?Openelement

Same bop for GT3 than GT1, In the end neither a bigger restrictor....

[Rodger Davies]

seems strange they've got different BoP charts, was assuming there'd just be one list.

OT: By the way, speaking of series with 'World' and 'GT' in, is there a thread here for Pirelli World Challenge?

[joeb]

Originally Posted by Rodger Davies

seems strange they've got different BoP charts, was assuming there'd just be one list.

OT: By the way, speaking of series with 'World' and 'GT' in, is there a thread here for Pirelli World Challenge?

not recently. but i think there was one years ago. Feel free to start one Rodger! I have enjoyed this series for years as a support race on IMSA weekends.

[alexkiller8]

beyond the fact that weight/restrictors values are shared by both GT1lol and GT3 class, i'm disappointed because judging by this, meanwhile z4 is one of most competitive and most aero developed gt3 car, has a huge and unfair weight advantage than other cars like 458 and mp4-12c! that will be still more unfair because this year won't be used weight ballast!
Then watching the huge difference of restrictor size between dbrs9 and vantage (the car share a very similiar engine, if not the same) i guess that giving a lot of extra power to dbrs9 is a try-out to avoid that those cars will be always in 17th-18th place

[JackN]

Yeah, it's almost like they're trying to balance the performance or something?

[Jameson]

Originally Posted by alexkiller8

beyond the fact that weight/restrictors values are shared by both GT1lol and GT3 class, i'm disappointed because judging by this, meanwhile z4 is one of most competitive and most aero developed gt3 car, has a huge and unfair weight advantage than other cars like 458 and mp4-12c! that will be still more unfair because this year won't be used weight ballast!

A huge and unfair weight advantage for the Z4? Are you joking? I hope so...

The BMW has one of the weakest, if not the weakest engines in GT3. Still, it has a smaller restrictor than the Porsche, Alpina and Camaro even though the latter two have more powerful engines. I predict that the very good aero of the Z4 will not compensate this power-loss. And even if it would on a full lap, the Z4 will be like a moving chicane on long straights and therefore useless in racing against others.

Does anyone know how to compare restrictor sizes between cars that have one and those that have two?

Not an expert, but seems to me that Audi and Ferrari are pretty well off there. I'd put my money on Audi, Merc and 458 this year!

[alexkiller8]

the only joke here is your post... z4 switched for a more powerfull 4.4 v8 instead of original 4.0 v8 since 2010... then i don't know how do you really mean for "weakest" but, as shown during 24 hour races all gt3/road engines are "weak" in very long endurance race! maybe the only engine really poor reliable actually is the mclaren one that can explode after a pair of laps as happened to gulf racing team during ELMS test. About top speed, bmw z4 gt3 scored pole on spa, paul ricard and other fast track with long straight so i think that max speed is not a problem for the car as you say, for sure is not a moving chicane.
The only way to compare the restrictor size is to know the overall size of airtake of the airbox of the car, but i never found info about this... and even if these value is revealed, is however really hard to calculate the exact power output of a car.

[kyoung]

Originally Posted by Jameson

the Z4 will be like a moving chicane on long straights and therefore useless in racing against others.

You mean it will mirror the performance of its road going counterpart; how appropriate.

I wouldn’t worry too much at this point; there will be restrictor/ballast changes many times throughout the season.

[urdragon]

Doing a little research I found 2011 GT3 BoP, Interesting differences.

http://private.fia.com/web/fia-publi...2011-06-24.pdf

[PorscheFanNo1]

Some huge differences there for a few cars on restricotr size from last year, weights are about the same but the Ford GT, BMW Z4, Lambo and Ferrari 458 have got seriously restricted intakes. And as mentioned, teh difference between the 2 Astons are huge!

[Nic_O]

http://www.autosport.be/?p=30310

Not really sure what it says about Vita4one drivers. Bartels, Van der Ende and Franchi seem to be confirmed and the last seat would go to Mathias Lauda or Marco Wittmann. Is that right ?

[Coach Ep]

Originally Posted by Nic_O

http://www.autosport.be/?p=30310

Not really sure what it says about Vita4one drivers. Bartels, Van der Ende and Franchi seem to be confirmed and the last seat would go to Mathias Lauda or Marco Wittmann. Is that right ?

Correct! Also the article confirms that Vita4one will compete in the Nurburgring 24H (+ 2 mandatory VLN races before that) and 24H of Spa.

[Nic_O]

Thank you! I hope Marco Wittmann will get the drive.

[alexkiller8]

will also vita4one (the team with bmw z4) run in 24h of spa? does the article specifies this? because for now officialy know that vita4one ITALY team will run with a pair of 458 GT3

[kurski]

Originally Posted by Nic_O

Thank you! I hope Marco Wittmann will get the drive.

I would rather hope that Mathias Lauda comes Vita4one as a new team driver

[morningview66]

If im right from these FIA BoP sheets, the Chevrolet Corvette has had a huge weight break down from 1350 in 2011 to 1270 in 2012.
Would be useful but im pretty sure noone is racing Corvettes in FIA GT1 or GT3 this year

2011:http://private.fia.com/web/fia-publi...2011-06-24.pdf

2012:http://private.fia.com/web/fia-publi...df?Openelement

Most cars restrictors appear to have been reduced aswell. :S

[alexkiller8]

i guess that aero updates of 2012 cars will be balanced by shorter restrictors, so gt3 car hardly will be able to run faster than 2011! maybe also an indirect way to don't let the pro-am lineups of GT3 champ to be faster than pro lineup of GT1 champ.
Such a shame that there isn't any corvette team involved in GT1... ratel could assist some team to use a pair of 2012 spec callaway corvette!