Le Mans Series 2010 - Page 35

Porsche917K · 18 Feb 2010, 21:57 (Ref:2635889)

I really hope JMW can bring the best out of that Aston. It's a good driver pairing and man do I love the sound of that car, but I always have the memory of a GT2 Vantage driving by itself in ALMS races.

NightStalk3r · 18 Feb 2010, 22:26 (Ref:2635904)

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Originally Posted by Porsche917K

I really hope JMW can bring the best out of that Aston. It's a good driver pairing and man do I love the sound of that car, but I always have the memory of a GT2 Vantage driving by itself in ALMS races.

The car has come on a long way since then, it had good results and showed massive speed last year in the few FIA GT races it competed in.

Tim the Grey · 18 Feb 2010, 23:53 (Ref:2635948)

Certainly Fred Makawaka seemed to have it sussed. Not forgetting Drayson ran theirs for 22 1/2 hours at The Great Race, too...

JHamilton · 19 Feb 2010, 04:15 (Ref:2636026)

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Originally Posted by NightStalk3r

The car has come on a long way since then, it had good results and showed massive speed last year in the few FIA GT races it competed in.

Who's building the engines?

davehenrie · 19 Feb 2010, 05:38 (Ref:2636042)

Loved the video of the Rebellion. That is how a race car should sound, if nothing else these diesels should have large speakers mounted with tapes of petrol engines playing....

Also the trackside microphones picked up the engine and backfires and gear changes. Why can't they mix a TV broadcast with that kind of clarity? We get the announcers yelling and only the faintest hint of a backfire popping comes through. Put the announcers on some sort of Closed Caption where I can read their comments while I 'hear' the Judds and Acuras and various grumbling American V8's.
dh

airbusA346 · 19 Feb 2010, 08:40 (Ref:2636081)

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Originally Posted by JHamilton

Who's building the engines?

Prodrive.

Tom.

JHamilton · 19 Feb 2010, 14:47 (Ref:2636314)

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Originally Posted by airbusA346

Prodrive.

Tom.

Well then they have no chance unfortunately.

The Badger · 19 Feb 2010, 16:16 (Ref:2636388)

End-Info doing a piece on Drayson and their new B10 ..... I wasnt aware thet they were getting a new B10 .

Whose got the old chassis ?

It will be very interesting to hear exactly what Pirro has to say about the chassis and engine combo .

http://www.endurance-info.com/versio...ance-3593.html

airbusA346 · 19 Feb 2010, 16:37 (Ref:2636404)

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Originally Posted by JHamilton

Well then they have no chance unfortunately.

Why?

Tom.

HORNDAWG · 19 Feb 2010, 16:55 (Ref:2636414)

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Originally Posted by The Badger

End-Info doing a piece on Drayson and their new B10 ..... I wasnt aware thet they were getting a new B10 .

Whose got the old chassis ?

It will be very interesting to hear exactly what Pirro has to say about the chassis and engine combo .

http://www.endurance-info.com/versio...ance-3593.html

Drayson chassis was updated.

L.P.

JHamilton · 19 Feb 2010, 22:36 (Ref:2636649)

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Originally Posted by airbusA346

Why?

Tom.

The engine was the downfall of that program IMO . I believe Drayson went through 13 engines in one season. I can't remember if it was Sebring or PLM, but they went through 3 engines in the same weekend. Kablamo! It's a cool car while it's running though.

NightStalk3r · 20 Feb 2010, 02:01 (Ref:2636729)

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Originally Posted by JHamilton

The engine was the downfall of that program IMO . I believe Drayson went through 13 engines in one season. I can't remember if it was Sebring or PLM, but they went through 3 engines in the same weekend. Kablamo! It's a cool car while it's running though.

That was 2008, engine is far stronger now, no failures in any of its FIA GT appearances last year and ran for 22 hours at Le Mans last year.

WMUCarGuy · 20 Feb 2010, 02:40 (Ref:2636749)

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Originally Posted by The Badger

End-Info doing a piece on Drayson and their new B10 ..... I wasnt aware thet they were getting a new B10 .

Whose got the old chassis ?

It will be very interesting to hear exactly what Pirro has to say about the chassis and engine combo .

http://www.endurance-info.com/versio...ance-3593.html

Just a bit of non-descriptive writing. Their 09 car has been updated to '10 spec.

pablocomics · 20 Feb 2010, 20:21 (Ref:2637248)

Some photos of the golden Rebellion P1 in Monteblanco circuit on the daily-endurance wesite

http://www.daily-endurance.com/galer...nes.html?id=11

Jamesy-18 · 21 Feb 2010, 15:03 (Ref:2637700)

Nice, that livery is starting to grow on me now. I think it may change though seeing as there are no sponsor's decals on the car as yet.

davehenrie · 21 Feb 2010, 15:28 (Ref:2637711)

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Originally Posted by WMUCarGuy

Just a bit of non-descriptive writing. Their 09 car has been updated to '10 spec.

I believe I have read that just about any B05 based Lola can be upgraded to latest coupes. But I'm guessing that the cost of updating the oldest chassis' is probably prohibitive. Otherwise Kai Kruse would have a roof on his Lola by now. With Drayson's chassis only being one year old, it was a fairly easy step to the 2010 spec.

dh

HORNDAWG · 21 Feb 2010, 15:51 (Ref:2637724)

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Originally Posted by davehenrie

I believe I have read that just about any B05 based Lola can be upgraded to latest coupes. But I'm guessing that the cost of updating the oldest chassis' is probably prohibitive. Otherwise Kai Kruse would have a roof on his Lola by now. With Drayson's chassis only being one year old, it was a fairly easy step to the 2010 spec.

dh

A Cabriot/Spyder can not be upgraded to a coupe, they are different tubs!

L.P.

**Bentley03** · 21 Feb 2010, 16:16 (Ref:2637734)

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Originally Posted by HORNDAWG

A Cabriot/Spyder can not be upgraded to a coupe, they are different tubs!

L.P.

Different tubs, yes, but I seem to remember RML describing their change to a coupe as an upgrade and that as much as 75% of the EX265 was carried over to the EX265C. One would have to assume the same carry over would be possible for any existing open Lola chassis (of recent vintage, of course)?

Still a very expensive upgrade though.

HORNDAWG · 21 Feb 2010, 16:33 (Ref:2637739)

I guess we will go through this once again. The tub is where the Mfg. number plate that contains the VIN# is permanantly attached (can not be removed). This plate is what makes the car, well, a car! To replace it is to change cars. Yes you can cannibalize the previous car of all its ancillary parts to build up the new tub into a complete car, but it is a NEW car.

As explained, coincidentally, in an article at DSC today (RSR piece)

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.” And, as Mike Newton testified, this hadn’t been a small task; “The car had been cannibalised to a large extent when we first created the EX265C Coupé,

L.P.

**Bentley03** · 21 Feb 2010, 17:22 (Ref:2637756)

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Originally Posted by HORNDAWG

I guess we will go through this once again.

L.P.

Oh no, not again!

I think we're all well aware that new tub = new car. If you're determined to be 'technically' correct, and 'technically' correct others who post 'technically' incorrectly, then fine. But in doing so, on this occasion, I think you missed the correct, but 'technically' incorrect, point davehenrie was making.

I felt it was only right to reassure davehenrie, further to your 'technically' correct post, that he was correct, despite the fact he was 'technically' incorrect.

pdxracefan · 21 Feb 2010, 17:27 (Ref:2637758)

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Originally Posted by davehenrie

Loved the video of the Rebellion. That is how a race car should sound, if nothing else these diesels should have large speakers mounted with tapes of petrol engines playing....

Also the trackside microphones picked up the engine and backfires and gear changes. Why can't they mix a TV broadcast with that kind of clarity? We get the announcers yelling and only the faintest hint of a backfire popping comes through. Put the announcers on some sort of Closed Caption where I can read their comments while I 'hear' the Judds and Acuras and various grumbling American V8's.
dh

Hear Hear!

Couldn't agree more. The problem is, at least here in the states, that the networks that broadcast racing have the mindset that the broadcast crew are what makes the race, not the race or the certainly not the sounds of the race.

HORNDAWG · 21 Feb 2010, 17:54 (Ref:2637775)

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Originally Posted by Bentley03

Oh no, not again!

I think we're all well aware that new tub = new car. If you're determined to be 'technically' correct, and 'technically' correct others who post 'technically' incorrectly, then fine. But in doing so, on this occasion, I think you missed the correct, but 'technically' incorrect, point davehenrie was making.

I felt it was only right to reassure davehenrie, further to your 'technically' correct post, that he was correct, despite the fact he was 'technically' incorrect.

Hmm, are we talking about switching from a Spyder to a Coupe or upgrading a B05/40 with the '10 aero kit? As I understand it Spyder parts and complete new (B10/10) cars are still being made available from Lola.

You know, just one of those boring technicallities!!

L.P.

Graham Goodwin · 21 Feb 2010, 17:56 (Ref:2637778)

I guess it depends on the commentary team!

Personally there are some I'd happily mute but in sportscar racing in particular the additional info that they bring, particularly about things you can't see, is well woth listening to - Perhaps a happy medium would be a slot or two within the race where they just leave the effects mikes up - 30 seconds or so of that might be nice once in a while.

Also shouldn't be beyond the wit of man to offer that option on a digital platform

JHamilton · 22 Feb 2010, 03:12 (Ref:2638031)

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Originally Posted by Graham Goodwin

I guess it depends on the commentary team!

Personally there are some I'd happily mute but in sportscar racing in particular the additional info that they bring, particularly about things you can't see, is well woth listening to - Perhaps a happy medium would be a slot or two within the race where they just leave the effects mikes up - 30 seconds or so of that might be nice once in a while.

Also shouldn't be beyond the wit of man to offer that option on a digital platform

That's why it's better to be there. Part of the atmosphere is hearing Hindy and some guy named Graham in the background. Even if you can't hear what their saying the inflection in the voices lets you know if something is going on. It's secondary to the cars until you put the earbuds in.

Jamesy-18 · 22 Feb 2010, 18:49 (Ref:2638471)

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Originally Posted by pdxracefan

Hear Hear!

Couldn't agree more. The problem is, at least here in the states, that the networks that broadcast racing have the mindset that the broadcast crew are what makes the race, not the race or the certainly not the sounds of the race.

I'm sorry, did I miss something? A video of a nice sounding race car? Where?! :P

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