Vettel (DEU) vs Webber (AUS) part 3

[chunterer]

But when will he net his first win of the season, at the moment that only looks possible if Seb has a bum race, and that isn't looking particularly likely?

Surely a race will come when he has the upperhand.

[strider]

Originally Posted by Adam43

I'm a fan of some, but not all of those drivers. Oh well.

Likewise, but I think we might disagree over the choice!

[browney]

Is there an explanation for his bad starts particularly this season? Can his body weight compared to Sebastian mean a less than ideal weight distribution?

I find it hard to believe that it is simply luck or skill given the number of bad starts he has had this year (and given the guys experience and that he is still putting the thing on pole).

[OZ_HCR32]

I have much man love for Mark, but with regards to race starts I keep thimking the following saying " Mark couldn't hit water if he fell out of a boat"

Be it at Jag, Williams or RBR, his starts have never been strong. he is not as aggressive as he used to be, perhaps should be. He kniws he has a fast car and can overtake this year ao dowsnt fight for free positions on the first lap like Massa and Hamo do

[Adam43]

Originally Posted by deeks6

Its 100% probable that they are my views

As for the black and white (apart from the fact that forums are opinions) it is my avid view that everybody is entitled to my opinion!

100% classic deeks. Everyone can have their own views as long as their the same as yours!

Anyway, does the last race count towards Webber or Vettel in this thread? It'll be the first of the year if it is for Vettel.

[Mr V]

Just out of interest, is there anywhere we can get a list of all the drivers lap times? I have been wondering if Vettel slowed at all, believing that Mark was also to slow, thereby actually allowing Mark to close the gap even more?

[deeks6]

Originally Posted by Adam43

Anyway, does the last race count towards Webber or Vettel in this thread? It'll be the first of the year if it is for Vettel.

Eh? Vettel owns Webber now (and everybody else for that matter).

[JeremySmith]

Originally Posted by deeks6

Eh? Vettel owns Webber now (and everybody else for that matter).

I think you mean Adrian Newey don't you...

[OZ_HCR32]

Originally Posted by Mr V

Just out of interest, is there anywhere we can get a list of all the drivers lap times? I have been wondering if Vettel slowed at all, believing that Mark was also to slow, thereby actually allowing Mark to close the gap even more?

Would be intersting...from memory watching live timing it was that Webber was on the pace of Alonso but Vettel had struggled the entire last stint, remembering Webber had to clear the slowing Hamilton

[arrowultima]

http://www.channelnews.com.au/Sales_...eting/P7V8D7Q4

don't know how trusty of a news source this is, but an interesting read. might explain webber's drop of pace this year. might.

[EGG]

I had idly speculated about the speed difference this year, but had been too polite to raise it as a possiblity as that kind of comment would only get Adam & the Ralf twins into a tizzy.

[Mr V]

Originally Posted by arrowultima

http://www.channelnews.com.au/Sales_...eting/P7V8D7Q4

don't know how trusty of a news source this is, but an interesting read. might explain webber's drop of pace this year. might.

So Red Bull are giving Webber a slower car, yet he out qualifies Vettel last time out??

[Adam43]

Slower car tizzy alert!

It is the only explanation.

[dsg]

Originally Posted by Adam43

Slower car tizzy alert!

It is the only explanation.

As was predicted, came to pass.

[Razzzor]

Wow that's the most legitimate media report i've ever read... a "friend" of Mark Webber reports this? lol

[chunterer]

Originally Posted by arrowultima

http://www.channelnews.com.au/Sales_...eting/P7V8D7Q4

don't know how trusty of a news source this is, but an interesting read. might explain webber's drop of pace this year. might.

If various News International websites are anything to go by, be very careful what you read as gospel at the moment!

[fomoco]

With out predujuice, can some one produce honest answers:

Mark W is well respected in F1 Drivers Association

Mark W can drive a car

Mark W can give feedback and suggestions

Mark W is important to a team(Any team)

Mark W is a straight shooter- telling as it is


Are drivers like Mark, a bygone, and do teams rely on computers over drivers.

[Adam43]

A throw back to a past era, when men were real men and racing drivers were called Nigel.

[JeremySmith]

Originally Posted by Adam43

A throw back to a past era, when men were real men and racing drivers were called Nigel.

Listen if you needed to have your eyebrows trimmed by the gardener your name would be Nigel as well....

[deeks6]

Originally Posted by EGG

I had idly speculated about the speed difference this year, but had been too polite to raise it as a possiblity as that kind of comment would only get Adam & the Ralf twins into a tizzy.

I'm 100% sure about the tizzy however, you may need to explain how the "slower car" can set the fastest lap in more GPs than any other car ... hmmm ... sorry, the only disadvantages Mark has are the strategy favours the No 1 in the team and his teammate is the fastest man in the world.

[dsg]

Originally Posted by EGG

Adam & the Ralf twins

Were they an 80s boy band?

[Adam43]

Originally Posted by deeks6

I'm 100% sure about the tizzy

is that your usual 100%

[wnut]

Originally Posted by deeks6

I'm 100% sure about the tizzy however, you may need to explain how the "slower car" can set the fastest lap in more GPs than any other car ... hmmm ... sorry, the only disadvantages Mark has are the strategy favours the No 1 in the team and his teammate is the fastest man in the world.

Ditto!

[Adam43]

Webber owns Vettel, one L. Shame others own Webber

[HughGJohnson]

Originally Posted by arrowultima

http://www.channelnews.com.au/Sales_...eting/P7V8D7Q4

don't know how trusty of a news source this is, but an interesting read. might explain webber's drop of pace this year. might.

What would Webber expect to gain from a meeting with Mateschitz? 'Yeah, Mark we're watering down your fuel. You might as well accept Ferrari's offer. They'll give you a fair shot for sure.' He's going to tell Mark he's a valued member of their team and Red Bull are equal opportunity employers, void where prohibited, batteries not included...

And then when they sign Kobayashi or Di Resta, they'll tell him to **** off. Red Bull wants Mark happy until they sign someone else. I don't know why Mark is worked up about doing due diligence, he’s either lacking pace or ignoring team orders. Plus, it’s not like he’s going to have a better option. Even if Ferrari wanted him, it would be to caddy for Alonso. There’s no room on McLaren or Mercedes who would probably want (and definitely favor) a German driver, anyway. Nobody else seems close to producing a title contending car.