2012/2013 NZ summer series

[Mr Revhead]

Originally Posted by NZSTfan

Still though, i'd imagine the NZV8 camp are pretty happy with that on their first decent testing stint. I would be nice to see some in-car footage, but i know that wont happen - i'm dead keen to see how this TT box goes to be honest, i.e. how fast the gear changes are etc and is the flat-shift working.

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=379342988818922

WARNING, if like me you wear head phones turn the sound down before clicking! It comes on with car at full noise and it seems the volume default is max

[NZSTfan]

Thanks Rev, your not wrong about the volume....the cat just lept out from under the couch when it fired up...didn't even know he was there!

In any ones langauge that is a fast car. I noticed there was another vid too on their fb page that actually shows gear shifts etc which is interesting.

nice lap Bargs

[Goat Boy]

Originally Posted by Mr Revhead

That's the time from day one. Day two was 1.24

Not that there has been any claims (that I recall) about lap times between the two. It's looking like they could be pretty close. Which will make it easier if the do decide to amalgamate at some point.

Yes that could be interesting - could they up the HP to 575 in the LS3 easily I wonder?

[on_to_it]

Originally Posted by Goat Boy

Yes that could be interesting - could they up the HP to 575 in the LS3 easily I wonder?

Well it is a Chev GB!

[promax]

kewl!

[Club racer]

Was interesting to watch it - but it was hardly a 'first' test given that it has run an enduro and done some testing already. Certainly a leap ahead of the old junkers though.

Looking at it close up, it definitely is not - in my opinion at least - quite as well built as a SuperTourer. There's a bigger difference between new and old Dunlops than there is with the Hankooks - I think that is a cert too.

As regards times, the best 'delta' time possible for a V8ST using combined practice and qualifying performances was indeed a 1.22 (.6 I think) and one of McLaughlin's laps was looking like a 1.22.9 before a small error. So the V8STs are quicker.

There's obviously quite a few more of them too! (I was told there will be 22 minimum on the grid at HD in February) And with drivers that are - Bargs apart - vastly, vastly superior to NZV8s.

You just cannot get away from those two factors, whichever way you cut it. Even if the car was faster (and I am absolutely certain that they were 'going for a time' from what I was seeing) - who cares?? There are quicker cars out there in NZ than the V8STs but they are not attracting the drivers, sponsors, interest, even the controversy.

I guess it's a shame because the product showed at Ruapuna it is pretty good, but I am more convinced than ever that the NZV8 series will now fail. Without at least 12 NEW cars and genuine star drivers to rival whatthe SuperTourers have, it doesn't stand a cat's chance in hell of attracting any meaningful series sponsorship or driver sponsorship. That's just a harsh commercial reality. Whether you guys or I think it is fair or not is irrelevant. 22 cars vs a max of 5 cars and some low ability club drivers like Dave Dovey making up the field in the old cars isn't going to work. A real shame that these guys are throwing so much of their own time and money at it and don't have the melons to admit they have lost this one. They'll be he poorer for it.

[promax]

seriously.. who cares lol

[Club racer]

Originally Posted by promax

seriously.. who cares lol

Well they've clealy got more money than sense then....!

[sportsfan]

Hi all. Can anybody tell me please if the new Dunlop NZV8 tire ran for
53 laps non stop starting with 120 ltrs on board and was just as fast on lap 53 as lap 1.

Before we all get to far ahead of ourselves the difference between and soft tire and hard tire will be 3 seconds around Ruapuna.

[nistfan]

Originally Posted by sportsfan

Hi all. Can anybody tell me please if the new Dunlop NZV8 tire ran for
53 laps non stop starting with 120 ltrs on board and was just as fast on lap 53 as lap 1.

Before we all get to far ahead of ourselves the difference between and soft tire and hard tire will be 3 seconds around Ruapuna.

I was chatting to somebody over the weekend and the Dunlop Qualifying Tyre lasted around 6 Laps only and seemed to be about 2 sec quicker, so I guess the real pace is only in the 1m 26s range, so my guess with more power than a V8ST, something tells me they must have a slower Chassis and Tyre Package at this point.

[Mr Revhead]

Ive forgottten, where were the claims of performance vs an ST.

Not that I really care about the trolling attempts

[on_to_it]

Originally Posted by Mr Revhead

Not that I really care about the trolling attempts

Hmmm. I'm hearing pot......kettle......could the colour be black?

[ccc member]

Originally Posted by nistfan

I was chatting to somebody over the weekend and the Dunlop Qualifying Tyre lasted around 6 Laps only and seemed to be about 2 sec quicker, so I guess the real pace is only in the 1m 26s range, so my guess with more power than a V8ST, something tells me they must have a slower Chassis and Tyre Package at this point.

How much do you actually know about motorsport? Chev LS3 6.2L engine at 520hp versus a Chev LS7 7L engine at 550hp. Maybe you should do some homework before you post dumb statements like this!

[Goat Boy]

Originally Posted by ccc member

How much do you actually know about motorsport? Chev LS3 6.2L engine at 520hp versus a Chev LS7 7L engine at 550hp. Maybe you should do some homework before you post dumb statements like this!

I can vouch that he actually knows quite a lot. And it was posted on here by DXV I think that the Tulloch car had 530HP at the flywheel - but there was definite talk around the traps that the car had 570HP. Either way you look at it, it's not a country mile away from an ST in HP, is the point being made.

[NZSTfan]

what are the torque figures like between and LS3 and an LS7?

And also, does anyone know what the likely 'all-up' weight of the next gen car will be?

I think the ST's are now at 1375kg?

[sportsfan]

Does anybody know what the proposed cost of the new NZV8 gear box started at and what is it now.

Also how is the parity testing coming along for the new cars. I guess with the Ford, Holden and Toyota all now running the engine parity has been completed. Anybody heard how much any of the engines had to be re-tuned to achieve parity?

[on_to_it]

Originally Posted by sportsfan

Also how is the parity testing coming along for the new cars. I guess with the Ford, Holden and Toyota all now running the engine parity has been completed. Anybody heard how much any of the engines had to be re-tuned to achieve parity?

No idea on the gearbox but as far as engine parity is concerned, try these guys;

"Leading New Zealand tuning company Speedtech Motorsport (STM) were announced last week to be taking care of all ECU and engine parity tuning for the New Generation NZV8 cars."

[promax]

http://www.speedtechnz.com/contact.html

[Mr Revhead]

Oh I am very excited... Toyota talking to MSNZ about one make series for the 86.
Now, I'm usually against one make series, but these are actual sporty cars!

[promax]

Toyota 86 link

[NZSTfan]

yip, thats cool. No doubt about it.

Wonder what the 'turn key' car will cost?

[socram]

Originally Posted by Mr Revhead

Now, I'm usually against one make series, but these are actual sporty cars!

One make one model? Count me out. Have we learned nothing in recent years?

[Mr Revhead]

Originally Posted by socram

One make one model? Count me out. Have we learned nothing in recent years?

Don't base a one make series on a boring FWD

There is a place for them, just not the entire programme

[mountainstar]

It's a fun car to drive and handles very well. Not a super fast car though, but one that is enjoyable to drive in the twisties.

I think it will be fun as a one make series as long as the costs are kept reasonable and they don't try to add a bunch of bits to the car to jack up maintenance and the need to buy over inflated in cost parts. The car is great as it is and was designed by the engineers to be sturdy enough for regular track duty. In fact they even designed the space behind the front seats, when the rears are folded down to fit a set of 4 mounted slick tires as well as designing space in the cabin for a roll cage.

[socram]

You are missing the point. Another grid (or quarter grid...) of identical cars, regardless of whether they are Toyotas, Fords, Chevrolets or Skodas, is NOT an attractive proposition. We have/had far too much one make/two make stuff as it is.

Why do Muscle car grids attract the spectator support, even though they are usually only a support class? Wander through the paddock at any race meeting and are the spectators ever clustered round any cars running in any of the "one make" series? Of course not. See one, see them all. Boring.

Aussie V8s and NZ Super Tourers, you can cheer for your favourite driver, but at a lower level, it is the cars that are important, not the drivers.