R1 -V8 SuperTourers - Hampton Downs - Page 4

NZSTfan · 12 Feb 2013, 06:36 (Ref:3203267)

Thats a bit rough dont you think member ccc.

These are race cars, and things go bang, no matter how you engineer it.

Mark would have been working off gaurantees from GM and associated racing classes.

I guess us kiwis just know how to lunch things.

To give you an example, Hitachi Excavators (Japanese) are tested in NZ by NZ contractors as they (the maker) know that the operators will give them absolute death in this country, and in the roughest conditions. Modifications follow for the international market.

Maybe the same could be said for ST's?

I think 2013 could be a pivotal year for the series.

On another note the '2012 and beyond' business plan for the NZV8's suggested minimum grids of 10 TLX cars contesting the champioship this year....how did that work out?

HProject · 12 Feb 2013, 06:48 (Ref:3203274)

Pardon me, just interrupting this perpetual domestic to deliver another new V8ST livery - the M2 machine. Noticeably absent: sponsors. She's nice and clean though.

Member CCC · 12 Feb 2013, 06:55 (Ref:3203275)

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Originally Posted by NZSTfan

Thats a bit rough dont you think member ccc.

These are race cars, and things go bang, no matter how you engineer it.

Mark would have been working off gaurantees from GM and associated racing classes.

I guess us kiwis just know how to lunch things.

To give you an example, Hitachi Excavators (Japanese) are tested in NZ by NZ contractors as they (the maker) know that the operators will give them absolute death in this country, and in the roughest conditions. Modifications follow for the international market.

Maybe the same could be said for ST's?

I think 2013 could be a pivotal year for the series.

On another note the '2012 and beyond' business plan for the NZV8's suggested minimum grids of 10 TLX cars contesting the champioship this year....how did that work out?

Maybe you should watch the video again! I think Mark was well aware that the engine is for a race car so not sure how you see that as being rough. I didn't even mention the gearbox or diff!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=clMW15XwiWo

smokin'joe · 12 Feb 2013, 06:56 (Ref:3203276)

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Originally Posted by Member CCC

Interesting Mark isn't this you stating the engine will do 3 seasons?
Yet all these changes in season 1!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=clMW15XwiWo

from the ST site:

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The car is powered by a strictly-controlled, one make, all-alloy, fuel injected and dry sumped 7-litre V8ST engine (proprietary branded for the series) that is unique to New Zealand. The power-plant is derived from the Le Mans programme and hand-built in America to deliver some 550hp at 6,800rpm with an expected racing life of 10,000 racing kilometres before requiring maintenance. This engine is very similar to that of the successful international GT racing Mosler supercar, though final preparation and tuning of the V8ST powerplant is completed in New Zealand.

is this the issue ??
kiwi-fied a known product ??

NZSTfan · 12 Feb 2013, 06:56 (Ref:3203277)

They do look nice dont they when they are uncluttered. But no doubt $$$ will need to be secured and the machine will change.

I remember talking to Richard Moore at one of the test sessions at HD last year. He told me their intention was to run a pretty much clean car....nek minnit, its got skinny plastered all over it!

NZSTfan · 12 Feb 2013, 07:03 (Ref:3203278)

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Originally Posted by smokin'joe

from the ST site:

is this the issue ??
kiwi-fied a known product ??

Please note the word 'expected'. You can't predict how long a component will last, even if you test it to within an inch of its life.

But ST's have been proactive with informing the media, and trying their best to fix issues. As i have stated, it is clear that these are crate road engines, no matter how you spin it. Being a road engine, it is not designed to be held at the redline for 200-500kms of racing. 2012 proved that, hopefully 2013 will be better, but i'd go as far to say that there will no doubt be issues, this is motor racing at the end of the day, not a chess match

These things happen, and as i say 2013 will be pivotal, IMO..

NZSTfan · 12 Feb 2013, 07:05 (Ref:3203280)

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Originally Posted by Member CCC

Maybe you should watch the video again! I think Mark was well aware that the engine is for a race car so not sure how you see that as being rough. I didn't even mention the gearbox or diff!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=clMW15XwiWo

Once again these are race cars.....nuff said

smokin'joe · 12 Feb 2013, 07:16 (Ref:3203284)

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Originally Posted by NZSTfan

Once again these are race cars.....nuff said

but the rattly old lumps of iron the TL cars used seemed to last longer and they were tuned to the end of the class regs.

NZSTfan · 12 Feb 2013, 07:25 (Ref:3203291)

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Originally Posted by smokin'joe

but the rattly old lumps of iron the TL cars used seemed to last longer and they were tuned to the end of the class regs.

i always thought they were expensive to maintain throughout a season....happy to be corrected though. Or was it the car in general (box, suspension and geometry components) that were the pricey bits?

Also have to take into account the high HP and torque (the killer) figures of the ST engine.

smokin'joe · 12 Feb 2013, 07:35 (Ref:3203297)

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Originally Posted by NZSTfan

i always thought they were expensive to maintain throughout a season....happy to be corrected though. Or was it the car in general (box, suspension and geometry components) that were the pricey bits?

Also have to take into account the high HP and torque (the killer) figures of the ST engine.

wouldn't have said they were big numbers for that engine.

tacmacnzl · 12 Feb 2013, 07:40 (Ref:3203301)

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Originally Posted by HProject

Pardon me, just interrupting this perpetual domestic to deliver another new V8ST livery - the M2 machine. Noticeably absent: sponsors. She's nice and clean though.

Looks nice and simple. Much better than last years. None of that awful grey which is good. OLS Orsum Laser Services is McLennans dads company IIRC.

CDM · 12 Feb 2013, 07:41 (Ref:3203302)

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Originally Posted by NZSTfan

On another note the '2012 and beyond' business plan for the NZV8's suggested minimum grids of 10 TLX cars contesting the champioship this year....how did that work out?

Why when tricky questions are asked about the V8ST's do you guys always hit back with a snide remark about NZV8's??

This is a forum about V8ST Round One is it not??

CDM · 12 Feb 2013, 07:49 (Ref:3203307)

And doesnt blueprinting the engines take away the whole concept of having the same engine in all cars?? and isnt that one of the main ideas of the whole V8ST concept?

No doubt all the different engine builders will build them differently and they will have have varying levels of performance. Also different clearances will affect both the longevity and performance of the engine so will this come back to cheque book racing...

Unfortunately the late notice to some teams or 'inside information' as it has been referred to here has the potential to do some serious damage to the whole series credibility....

smokin'joe · 12 Feb 2013, 07:49 (Ref:3203308)

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Originally Posted by CDM

Why when tricky questions are asked about the V8ST's do you guys always hit back with a snide remark about NZV8's??

This is a forum about V8ST Round One is it not??

Chris, i'm sure you would do the same about your series, but apart from the weather that can plague events, i can't see why anyone would need to talk it down.

Member CCC · 12 Feb 2013, 07:51 (Ref:3203310)

So has anyone else heard that ST may not be coming to Ruapuna in March?

Still no entries for Hampton online!

TrueBlueFlyer · 12 Feb 2013, 07:52 (Ref:3203311)

leaving for NZ tomorrow... should be an exciting V8ST weekend

looking forward to it!

Club racer · 12 Feb 2013, 07:55 (Ref:3203312)

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Originally Posted by Member CCC

So has anyone else heard that ST may not be coming to Ruapuna in March?

Still no entries for Hampton online!

Entries up now.

http://www.v8st.co.nz/images/assets/R1_entries_web.pdf

Ugy · 12 Feb 2013, 07:58 (Ref:3203315)

Mmmm... looks like the wheels on the ST might be getting a bit wobbly then.

smokin'joe · 12 Feb 2013, 08:02 (Ref:3203316)

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Originally Posted by Club racer

Entries up now.

http://www.v8st.co.nz/images/assets/R1_entries_web.pdf

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Jack Kofoed Ford Falcon Mobil 1, Go Fast Energy, TKR, Tasman Performance Tuning

haha, i told you guys that DJ was gonna waddle in to the NZST series !!!

Jerico · 12 Feb 2013, 08:14 (Ref:3203324)

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Originally Posted by smokin'joe

but the rattly old lumps of iron the TL cars used seemed to last longer and they were tuned to the end of the class regs.

That is because everyone or all most everyone knew what wore out and what didn't. That comes from years of running those cars. Prepping an old TL car was not a job done in an afternoon. And not cheap. It all starts with a life program, and you don't get given one of those when you buy a new racecar.

smokin'joe · 12 Feb 2013, 08:17 (Ref:3203327)

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Originally Posted by Jerico

That is because everyone or all most everyone knew what wore out and what didn't. That comes from years of running those cars. Prepping an old TL car was not a job done in an afternoon. And not cheap. It all starts with a life program, and you don't get given one of those when you buy a new racecar.

so, does the heads of NZST have to fall on their sword and payout any ugrade costs for a motor that was to last 10,000 RACE km.

is the failure report available in the public domain ??

NZSTfan · 12 Feb 2013, 08:18 (Ref:3203329)

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Originally Posted by TrueBlueFlyer

leaving for NZ tomorrow... should be an exciting V8ST weekend

looking forward to it!

Hope you enjoy it TBF, weather looks good at this stage

Goat Boy · 12 Feb 2013, 08:21 (Ref:3203330)

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Originally Posted by NZSTfan

Well thats a debate i will stay well clear of, dont really know what half of the tech bulletin meant anyway.....but thats just me, more of a steerer than a spanner. But to me it does look as though these are simply crate 'road' engines, and not crate 'race' engines (as i have mentioned on here before). I notice the rocker arms are pressed...is that good for a racing V8, shouldnt they be machined or cast? Looks like piston to bore clearances where set up for low emmisions which doesn't have racing written all over it.

Forged items are the strongest, if the arms are forged that is race gear

NZSTfan · 12 Feb 2013, 08:23 (Ref:3203331)

yup, agree GB, pressed implies cost cutting and bulk manufacture.

Swedish Brick · 12 Feb 2013, 08:25 (Ref:3203332)

Nzstfan, bravo, awesome acting. I almost believe you believe what you say!
From day one those engines were touted as pure race engines derived from the Le Man's programme.
The whole thing has been an utter debacle.

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