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Old 6 Dec 2005, 21:08 (Ref:1478520)   #76
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Go Webber , he can cut it and he surely will he just needs to find that little bit that is lacking at present (and i dont even know what that is ?), once he does watch him fly even more
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Old 6 Dec 2005, 21:19 (Ref:1478522)   #77
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I think a lot of the criticism about Webber comes from:

1) He has been talked up more than nearly any other driver on the grid;
2) NH always falls below the raidar.

So when you have these two in the same team and they a roughly equal one another in race speed, naturally people are going to criticise MW and crown the other.

I'm a huge fan of Webber's however I must conceed that he has a lot to prove. In fact, he will be the first to admit it.

Also, I think I like Webber not because of his driving necessarily but because of how he conducts himself. He is brutally honest. In addition he works sooo hard. I admire these qualities in any one no matter what country they come from. I can't like a driver who doesn't have these qualities no matter how good they are.
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Old 7 Dec 2005, 04:17 (Ref:1478680)   #78
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Have to agree with you - a lot of expectations but the talent just isn't there IMO. If you look at his racing career he has NEVER been champion in any category that he has done.:
My friend makes that point. But to be fair he has never really stayed in a series long enough to get himself a championship. His rookie seasons showed glimpses of speed with occasional great results. He moved on as quick as he could always with the goal of getting to F1. Im sure he would have loved a title, but when opportunites came up that took him a step closer to F1 he took them....I dont know but i suspec tthat even in his rookie seasons etc in lower classes he never got beat by his team mates??? I know Zonta in the sister Merc beat him in Sportscars, but i dont know how much that means?

The fact that he is in F1, and the fact that financially you would have to say that his ability typically got him his race seats...I dont think anyone is that lucky to have competitive seats fall in their lap time and time again when they are not bringing much in the way of sponsorship to a team...he must have a level of talent that team principles see/respect.
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Old 7 Dec 2005, 04:29 (Ref:1478681)   #79
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He and Williams will be better than you might think in 2006.

The chassis is responding to changes and the engine is going to amonst the better units for at least the first half of the season.
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Old 7 Dec 2005, 04:44 (Ref:1478687)   #80
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I believe that Mark Webber is as good as it gets. That is my honest belief, he will prove his worth in time, he strikes me as a chap with lots of integrity, he is committed and tries very hard.

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Old 8 Dec 2005, 10:36 (Ref:1479556)   #81
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I'm a massive Webber fan, and not ashamed to admit it. Been a member of his Supporters Club since 1997

Yes he gets talked up. First Aussie in F1 for a damn long time, so naturally he will get pumped up by the media. He will also suffer from the tall poppy syndrome cast on all great Aussie sportsmen. I don't believe he gets anywhere near the hype that Jenson Button gets though, who's had more F1 experience and also hasn't won a race yet

Webber has a lot to prove, but so do Williams F1. Both are determined to succeed against the odds and fight back to their rightful places at the top.

Time will tell if we're right or wrong though.
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Old 8 Dec 2005, 11:01 (Ref:1479569)   #82
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give the bloody man a break boys and girls. so what if williams was a **** car 05 season at least he knows to how to ring its neck out the thing. if you dont build a stong car you cant show the drivers potental ok.
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Old 8 Dec 2005, 11:12 (Ref:1479581)   #83
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I vote for closing the thread, the boy has done more than his share of blood, sweat and tears to get to his dreams and you can say he can't drive, but give Mark a break
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Old 8 Dec 2005, 11:21 (Ref:1479588)   #84
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Hmmm, the minardi was not a strong car and still someone like Alonso was able to impress with it. Granted he was Flavio's boy back then but so was Mark.
I'm still of the opinion that he has to prove himself next year or say bye-bye to his future as a WDC contender.

I vote for closure as well, as anything has been said already and we're just repeating ourselves.
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Old 8 Dec 2005, 11:34 (Ref:1479598)   #85
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Mark did impress in the Minardi, arguably a lot more than Alonso did.

Closing this thread would be a good thing. Let the subject rest until Bahrain in three months time...
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Old 8 Dec 2005, 12:08 (Ref:1479630)   #86
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Certainly seems to be a lot of support for Webber at present, I'd still maintain that he's fairly average among the current drivers. Any enrgative feelings people have about him are probably due to the excessive hyping and petty attitutes of some of his supporters, who take any criticism as an insult to all 20 million of their citizens, which is surely not the intention.

Mark has to beat Nico next year to keep his reputation going. He showed some promising signs late in the season, with less ragged driving and some strong performances at key 'driver's circuits', and he needs to buid on that. I wonder how significant it is that he improved once Nick disappeared from the team? Directly or otherwise, I think Nick rattled Mark, hence the infamous "Nick just sits there" interview.
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Since Philips Razors is now a major Williams sponsor, I would suggest Mr Webber could indeed 'cut it'
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