dmn 2010 - Page 4

jonbryant · 12 Nov 2009, 19:47 (Ref:2580978)

My camera lens is bigger for next year. Does this mean I have to stand on a box and move up slightly? Or do I saw my legs off and move down?

BESSIE · 12 Nov 2009, 19:51 (Ref:2580984)

ha ha xxx

Copperbottom · 12 Nov 2009, 20:15 (Ref:2580997)

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Originally Posted by jonbryant

My camera lens is bigger for next year. Does this mean I have to stand on a box and move up slightly? Or do I saw my legs off and move down?

No Jon,you're in a class of your own so will stay as you are

jonbryant · 12 Nov 2009, 20:27 (Ref:2581002)

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Originally Posted by Copperbottom

No Jon,you're in a class of your own so will stay as you are

You've had your free photo

Robert Morris · 12 Nov 2009, 20:49 (Ref:2581018)

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Originally Posted by jonbryant

You've had your free photo

what's that word free?

nik · 13 Nov 2009, 09:55 (Ref:2581273)

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Originally Posted by bdwoody

4. race some place else that has cars of a similar spec !!

thats the option im hopefully taking !

nyssa7 · 13 Nov 2009, 11:33 (Ref:2581305)

As someone who hasn't been out much with DMN, guess my "rights" to moan are more limited, but am disappointed to see that my Lancia (2.4 turbo) would now have to race with the Birleys and the Skylines of this world, as a front wheel drive car, it wouldn't have a hope. In 2009 would have run in Class B

Somewhat directs my thoughts for next season away from doing more DMN races alas

graham bahr · 13 Nov 2009, 17:45 (Ref:2581491)

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Originally Posted by nyssa7

As someone who hasn't been out much with DMN, guess my "rights" to moan are more limited, but am disappointed to see that my Lancia (2.4 turbo) would now have to race with the Birleys and the Skylines of this world, as a front wheel drive car, it wouldn't have a hope. In 2009 would have run in Class B

Somewhat directs my thoughts for next season away from doing more DMN races alas

unfortunatly yes, but then your lancia is something of a one off oddball and trevor you havnt raced with us for two years and even then only did one meeting if i recall correctly, the regulations always have and will always be based on the cars that actually compete on a regular basis, if you were to start turning up on a regular basis and lets not forget your get good racing irrespective of the class structure, come next year we will again be looking at cars which are not competitive on a technical basis and we may find a way to even things up a bit.

Copperbottom · 13 Nov 2009, 18:49 (Ref:2581523)

That's fair enough Graham,the only problem that I can see with that is IF someone has a car that isn't competitive within the class structure they'll more than likely race elsewhere so changing the rules the following year won't really help in such a case,TBH I don't think that my car was competitive enough this year and know that most of the Class d cars and class e minis that didn't compete on a regular basis this year are more competitive than mine and now the classes are effectively combined,I don't necessarily race to win but would like a chance to compete on the same level as others in my class or even championship.Bill had no competition in our class this year but IF some of the class d regulars from last year had raced I think things might of been a little different.

Oh and for the record;I'm not against the rule changes.The goal posts just keep moving!

chezza · 13 Nov 2009, 18:53 (Ref:2581525)

The issue we have is that the rules cannot be changed part way through a season. They have to be written now, OK'd by the MSA and then thats it until this time next year...but thats a price we pay for having the Championship status.

graham bahr · 13 Nov 2009, 19:05 (Ref:2581529)

i'd say you were pretty competitive nick, you could do with a bit more grunt, although perhapes another solution would be to run a lower diff and t9 box so you use more gears, when i drove daves sierra at brands i was using 2,3rd,4th and 5th so the fact the car was 100bhp or more down on some of the beemers out there it didnt notice, and lets face your not exactly running massively wide rubber, think what you could do with some bubbles a t9 and filing a bit more metal out that ax block.......

**Tim Falce** · 13 Nov 2009, 19:15 (Ref:2581533)

How many of you give feedback during the year as to what you'd like the rules to be?
By the sounds of it I think some of you would only be happy if you had about 10 different classes so there would only be a couple of cars in each class.

andypipe · 13 Nov 2009, 20:16 (Ref:2581562)

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Originally Posted by graham bahr

think what you could do with some bubbles a t9 and filing a bit more metal out that ax block.......

That sounds familiar

Copperbottom · 13 Nov 2009, 20:42 (Ref:2581579)

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Originally Posted by graham bahr

i'd say you were pretty competitive nick, you could do with a bit more grunt, although perhapes another solution would be to run a lower diff and t9 box so you use more gears, when i drove daves sierra at brands i was using 2,3rd,4th and 5th so the fact the car was 100bhp or more down on some of the beemers out there it didnt notice, and lets face your not exactly running massively wide rubber, think what you could do with some bubbles a t9 and filing a bit more metal out that ax block.......

I use all four gears now GB, as for bubble arches.......they should be classed as an excessive modification and cars with them should be moved up a class

(same goes for mk2s with tarmac arches). I can't afford them or the new wheels and tyres that are needed to fill them,also I both of the mk1s (Paul and Russell) that I raced against with bubbles and more grunt and t9 gearboxes were slower than me.And T9 gearbox?.......... been there done that sold the 'box to fund the mods to convert the car from hillclimb/sprint spec into race spec

What AX block? Mine's 711m with a rubber crank

graham bahr · 13 Nov 2009, 21:25 (Ref:2581601)

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,also I both of the mk1s (Paul and Russell) that I raced against with bubbles and more grunt and t9 gearboxes were slower than me.

and you said you werent competitive enough??

Robert Morris · 13 Nov 2009, 21:28 (Ref:2581609)

Dont forget Bill did not win every round the brands gp race comes to mind where he was beat by a alpha what class will the alpha be in next season?

graham bahr · 13 Nov 2009, 22:30 (Ref:2581627)

the alfa that beat bill will still be in the same class as bill, although in race two i think the reason it beat bill had as much to do with bills total lack of visability through a fogged up screen as anything else

david_white · 13 Nov 2009, 22:33 (Ref:2581629)

Been reading through this thread and its very interesting. As far as i can see the main changes are that Bill has moved up from D, but lets face it he was as quick as this years class c cars anyway and had little competition from the pukka class d cars (alfa was an ex touringcar) but Alex was quick at Brands.

Also classes E and D have merged and lets not forget how quick the minis are and I'm sure that if class E had fielded as many cars as usual this year it would have stayed as a seperate class but who wants to see one or no cars in an class?

Hopefully Woody will have some competition in the shape of new minis as well as the fantastic KAD powered clubman of Mr Richards. As for Mr Brent who knows where he will go but he will be hard to beat whichever class he's in

As for my little sierra, it will still be slugging it out with the escorts and minis next year (don't mention fiestas!) and so will Andy once I've given him half of the escort bits I've been using back

tallguy_2 · 14 Nov 2009, 12:55 (Ref:2581850)

Sounds like the animosity is returning a little bit from a couple of years ago, especially when some people think the rules could be geared at certain individuals.

One of the things i can envisage that the championship lacks is some up to date machinery. There are now an abundance of phase 2 clios knocking around, the latest generation Cios are now becoming available and we all know how many of the later SEAT's are left and waiting to be used in a championship such as this, unfortunately though they are rather outclassed and in some cases outlawed.

Surely it's some of these later generation one make cars that you would like to see enhance the spectacle of what could be a rather eclectic mix of modern and contemporary machinery????

R59 · 14 Nov 2009, 18:11 (Ref:2581960)

I wonder which class my Astra will be in. It's only two valves per cylinder, and it's a GM engine in a GM monocoque shell. It only has four gears, and very not sequential.

Can I have a -400% capacity de-regulation? to make it competitive with the 1600's?

Graham..... Graham.... get up of the floor stop your laughing, or is that crying?

**BertMk2** · 15 Nov 2009, 14:26 (Ref:2582283)

Just get the damn thing out there Rob! That and Mr Cross with his Mondeo (is that ever going to appear?

) would be great to watch.

pdd144c · 15 Nov 2009, 16:18 (Ref:2582329)

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Originally Posted by bdwoody

ok that leaves me with a bit of a problem copper ,
1. change engine , with a lot of extra expence , which was not supposed to happen at this level of motorsport ..
2. race as is in class C on me own (or with bill).
3. tell fibs and race in class D till i get caught out..
4. race some place else that has cars of a similar spec !!
5. dont race in 2010 and wait till the rules change again.
6. sell the car and buy some darts and go to the pub( oops they've all closed down ).

decisions decisions..........

What about this rule then?

5.7.10 The capacity of an engine should not exceed the capacity for the class however, when calculating/checking engine capacity for eligibility purposes to allow for measuring errors and bore wear an engine shall be regarded as legal provided the engine does not exceed the capacity limit for its class by 1%

So does this mean that Woody was in the wrong class all year? This implies that 2020cc is actually the class limit, surely meaning that 2013 cc was perfectly acceptable in Class C… So Class D for 2010, no need to buy those darts

bdwoody · 15 Nov 2009, 18:17 (Ref:2582387)

ah but them roof rockets will put me up a class........

he he !!!

Robert Morris · 15 Nov 2009, 18:37 (Ref:2582393)

woody i got a few spares and fixing brackets if it helps

nyssa7 · 15 Nov 2009, 19:37 (Ref:2582417)

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Originally Posted by graham bahr

unfortunatly yes, but then your lancia is something of a one off oddball and trevor you havnt raced with us for two years and even then only did one meeting if i recall correctly, the regulations always have and will always be based on the cars that actually compete on a regular basis, if you were to start turning up on a regular basis and lets not forget your get good racing irrespective of the class structure, come next year we will again be looking at cars which are not competitive on a technical basis and we may find a way to even things up a bit.

Fair enough - I did agree in my post that my moaning rights were somewhat limited. The Lancia has been in pieces since its last DMN race, still trying to get it back together again. Hopefully will make an appearance or two if budgets and calendars allow

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