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I've got no idea whether the Hodgetts/GK-S/Pearcy entry used Geoff K-S's car or a regular Hodgetts car at the TT though- it's a tempting idea though as the car is basically plain white in both pics. I don't have any other CHMS Corolla pics from that season to hand to know if Chris also had a plain white car at that time |
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Looking at your TT picture and really zooming/enlarging it there seems to be gold along the bottom of the sills - I wonder if this is the pearlescent white car I remember and that is a trick of the light?
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how many cars did CHMS Have then?
Been looking for a 87 and a 88 entry list, but to no avail |
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Another point is that I always thought the GK-S car appeared to have a higher ride height, or at least looked slightly jacked up at the rear compared to the CHMS cars which seemed almost dangerously low at the rear. Don't know if that's something that might help distinguish the differences? |
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The original 1986 programme was two cars- the white car for Hodgetts and the red 'Demon Tweeks' car for Alan Minshaw. The 1987 programme was much heavier, and if it was done with just 2 cars, then those little Corollas were worked VERY hard. On top of defending Hodgetts' BTCC title, they also did a large proportion of the WTCC and ETCC rounds with Andrew Bagnall. I've just had a skim through the results on Frank de Jong's Touring Car History website, and I reckon they took in at least a dozen races, on top of a full BTCC season, with 2 cars appearing at some of the BTCC rounds, Donington ETCC and the TT... I'm pretty sure at least one new car was built along the way- I think the car used for the Australian/NZ and Japanese WTCC races may have been a new chassis for Bathurst- I'll look that up later in the '87 Bathurst annual. I've got approximate entry lists for the BTCC covering the years CHMS ran Corollas, but they're at home and I can't access them right now- I'll post the relevant bits of them later Last edited by KA; 15 Aug 2008 at 10:20. |
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Just to follow up on this- to give an idea of how busy the 1987 was for the CHMS squad, these were their overseas adventures (OK, including Donington and Silverstone ) in the ETCC and WTCC:
All of that on top of a BTCC title defence.....about the only thing missing was a trip to Macau... Last edited by KA; 15 Aug 2008 at 14:54. |
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At the time I always viewed CHMS as a pretty serious team with a decent infrastructure. What happened to them ? Chris seems to be operating on his own these days doing driver coaching and son Stefan seems to be struggling without a budget to get drives.
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15 Aug 2008, 21:22 (Ref:2269850) | #86 | |
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I took a look at the Bathust annual and 1987 BTCC results, and there may well have been 4 CHMS Corollas. The Bathurst car was a plain white Corolla with 'Gullivers Travel' logos. According to the rundown on the entry list in the book: 'The No.94 Corolla featured a brand new shell prepared by 1986 British champ Chris Hodgetts, and hadn't even been tested before coming to Bathurst'
According to the BTCC results I've got noted down CHMS ran 3 cars at a couple of the early-season BTCC rounds. Their BTCC entries were as follows: R1 Silverstone
R6 Silverstone GP
R8 Snetterton
R9 Donington
R10 Oulton Park- 1 hour race
R11 Donington
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Chris Hodgetts ran three cars for the Donington 500 qualifying in early 1987, with the drivers gathering in two cars for the race.
Earlier in the thread it was mentioned that the Belgian Fina Corollas were run by RAS Sport. I know that RAS ran a couple of Fina sponsored Supra Turbos during the '88 Spa 24h, but there were never any RAS logos on the Fina Corollas, which I suspect were more identified by long time driving partners Serge de Liedekerke and Pierre Fermine. In fact three Belgian FINA Racing Corollas were entered and raced during the '88 Spa, with Stig Gruens Swedish car being the forth in Fina colours. The Gruen car also ran in these colours during the following Zolder round of the ETCC, and probably also at Nogaro a week after the Silverstone TT. Jesper |
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17 Aug 2008, 10:31 (Ref:2270420) | #88 | ||
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In researching my Bob Holden AE86 Sprinters, I got this info that may be useful in this thread.......
from Tom Kimber Smith I know that one of the cars that Geoff raced went to Macau in the late 80’s but im not sure what happened to it after that. from Chris Hodgetts my6 86 championship winning car was sold to Andrew Bagnall(Gullivers travel,Auckland NZ),and we raced this in Europe in 87 and also did Bathurst with it.(he stuffed it!) |
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thanks for that info terry
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One thing I noticed looking at Spa results and entry lists is that a lot of Corollas seemed to be entered under the name 'IMC Toyota'- (I think I mentioned this earlier in the thread) even those which were clearly from some of the well-known Corolla teams, such as the Danish Castrol car. The 1985 entry list is an example- all of the Corollas seem to be 'IMC' entries... http://www.racingsportscars.com/cove...985-07-28e.jpg It's clearly not an individual team, so who were IMC? Was it just a case of Toyota's Belgian importer 'adopting' the Corolla entries for marketing reasons? I've never seen photographic evidence to prove it, but as you suggest, I'd be very surprised if the Gruen Corolla ran in anything other than Fina colours at Nogaro in '88, bearing in mind it was still in them a week earlier at the TT |
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I don't think we ever established in the Supra thread how MIL was set up- was it an all-new team or a rebranding of an existing operation?. The presence of Vic Lee anongst the drivers suggests he may have been involved in setting the team up, but given that regular Hodgetts team-mate/co-driver Alex Moss was also involved, I wonder if any of the CHMS crew migrated to MIL with Chris (MIL also had a Corolla- wonder if it was an ex-CHMS car?) It always struck me as curious that after winning 2 championships with CHMS, Toyota apparently decided to support a new operation, and not CHMS to run the Supra, despite Chris staying on as a driver... Alternatively, was the Brooklyn RS500 which appeared after Chris parted company with MIL run out of Brooklyn's own workshops, or did CHMS evolve into the Brooklyn team?. I'm curious to know the links- if any- between the various teams Chris drove for- Brooklyn (in Escort RS1600i guise), CHMS, MIL and the Brooklyn RS500 entry |
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Dont know, other than Brooklyn were involved before and during Chris's Corolla years. (Sponsorship on front bumper in some images + Chris drove a Brooklyn RS1600i)
btw- ka - did you get my pm? Last edited by andy_b; 18 Aug 2008 at 15:27. |
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Yes, I'll have a look at that and get back to you- Great choice of pics, my mental image of Chris in a Corolla always seems to involve it having two wheels airborne over the kerbs.... Incidentally, for a closer detailed look at a Group A AE86, (though Charouz/Marlboro, rather than CHMS) the Lany Museum seem to have upgraded their website since I last looked at it, with a full page of pics for each car in the collection- lots of underbonnet and interior shots of their Marlboro Corolla http://www.auto-muzeum.cz/en/toyota-corolla-gt-16v |
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Thanks for that KA. CHMS was certainly a sizeable team of people in the midlands building cars and it does seem rather odd that the outfit evaporated when Chris moved to MIL as they ran cars for plenty of other people. Maybe they were underwritten by Toyota to a such an extent that when the plug was pulled so went the team.
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Ten-tenths member William Dale Jr has sent me a complete list of results for Australian Touring Cars in 1990 & 1991, thanks William! It appears that my car nearly always ran #76 in that period. All i need now is some photos, please, anyone!
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As promised, Speedhunters have now published the Fina sponsored Spa winner pics here, along with a write up (Antonio is a general AE86 nut, rather than a race fan)
http://speedhunters.com/archive/2008...-24h-ae86.aspx CHMS post coming up soon |
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searching for images, I've just found this. Bob Holden sponsored car at Spa
http://lemansmotorsport.free.fr/spa88/spa88%20133.jpg |
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http://www.teambild.se/arkiv/details...13&mode=search
..is a link to a picture of Finn Heikki Välimäki - the first I've ever found of his car, magazines included. Put in Gruen in the search field and a few pics of his car shows up as well, including a portrait of "The Stig" himself. Jesper |
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