2014 Silly Season (Merged x2)

[Chris - Melb]

[QUOTE=Downoz;3170049]

Originally Posted by Chris - Melb

You said that he finished last of the full time drivers...

I said at the bottom. I really meant to say towards the bottom, my apologies.

I agree it's good having an Australian in the series. I would never have taken any notice of NASCAR without him being in there. I think that's a good thing, maybe.

I've almost given up watching the telecasts now because he doesn't have a chance of winning on ovals. The fast forward button gets a hard work over.

Now I'd much rather see him race here in V8 Supercar with a chance of winning, as long as it is in a Ford!

[Mixer]

Originally Posted by Chris - Melb

Now I'd much rather see him race here in V8 Supercar with a chance of winning, as long as it is in a Ford!

FPR: Frequently fast but will blunder on strategy and cost him plenty of results, and he won't have the temper for it!

or

DJR: Run around in the 20s with the rest of the wallies.

Sounds great!

[F J Nedos]

I think FPR are pretty good with their balaclavas though...

[Chris - Melb]

Ford Performance Racing would not be tempted to go with risky strategy because Marcos would be way out in front!

[Mixer]

Originally Posted by Chris - Melb

Ford Performance Racing would not be tempted to go with risky strategy because Marcos would be way out in front!

Until they didn't put enough fuel in his car...

There is one benefit though, if the #55 was ever in front, you could guarantee they'd 'strategise' it out of the way....

[bluesport]

Originally Posted by Mixer

Until they didn't put enough fuel in his car...

There is one benefit though, if the #55 was ever in front, you could guarantee they'd 'strategise' it out of the way....

Hmm, FPR are the only ones at present that go anywhere near challenging T8..........if your opinion of FPR is so low I hate to think what your opinion of HRT is.........nothing personal, just saying.

[Mixer]

Originally Posted by bluesport

Hmm, FPR are the only ones at present that go anywhere near challenging T8..........if your opinion of FPR is so low I hate to think what your opinion of HRT is.........nothing personal, just saying.

HRT's car speed is ****, they have very little potential at the moment and GT sometimes maximises the potential.

FPR is a story of squandered potential week in week out.

1/4 of the way through the season Will was going great! But Will and Frosty were both fighting Jamie for the championship, and neither was consistent enough.

[bluesport]

Originally Posted by Mixer

HRT's car speed is ****, they have very little potential at the moment and GT sometimes maximises the potential.

FPR is a story of squandered potential week in week out.

1/4 of the way through the season Will was going great! But Will and Frosty were both fighting Jamie for the championship, and neither was consistent enough.

But who is "consistent enough?"...........I'm wondering if any team will challenge T8 for the forseeable future.

[Mixer]

Originally Posted by bluesport

But who is "consistent enough?"...........I'm wondering if any team will challenge T8 for the forseeable future.

FPR should be looking to become more consistent, whether its strategy, reliability, economy, tyre wear or driver skill, they were shocking in parts of this year. Its an opportunity gone begging.

If you hav ea guy that wins half the time, and comes 2nd or 3rd the rest, he's impossible to beat if you win, then come 24th.

[peckstar]

Originally Posted by Mixer

FPR should be looking to become more consistent, whether its strategy, reliability, economy, tyre wear or driver skill, they were shocking in parts of this year. Its an opportunity gone begging.

If you hav ea guy that wins half the time, and comes 2nd or 3rd the rest, he's impossible to beat if you win, then come 24th.

But havent they become more consistant this year. I'm doubtful there are too many rounds where they did not have a car on the podium. (just the enduros really)

yes i agree there is more work to do, but surely we would say there season was better than last year

[Mixer]

Originally Posted by peckstar

yes i agree there is more work to do, but surely we would say there season was better than last year

For Frosty a little better but look at finishing position vs quali position for Will Davo.

They still let Frosty down too many times.

[GTRMagic]

Originally Posted by Mixer

For Frosty a little better but look at finishing position vs quali position for Will Davo.

They still let Frosty down too many times.

In an ideal world... the new pilot of #9 for 2013 & beyond should probably be Mr Winterbottom...

[Micklegend]

Originally Posted by GTRMagic

In an ideal world... the new pilot of #9 for 2013 & beyond should probably be Mr Winterbottom...

Whats in it for Frosty to pilot the #9?

[GTRMagic]

Originally Posted by Micklegend

Whats in it for Frosty to pilot the #9?

Besides not being at FPR?

[Mixer]

Originally Posted by GTRMagic

Besides not being at FPR?

Sideways move. Been a long time since an SBR car has been a genuine front runner.

[Micklegend]

Originally Posted by GTRMagic

Besides not being at FPR?

The way I figure it is that there are only 2 better seats out there, and they are both taken. At this stage of the game you would think staying somewhere stable would be better than moving for the sake of moving.

[GTRMagic]

Originally Posted by Micklegend

The way I figure it is that there are only 2 better seats out there, and they are both taken. At this stage of the game you would think staying somewhere stable would be better than moving for the sake of moving.

Except one of the first signs of insanity is doing things you have always done and expecting a different result

Drivers switch teams for many reasons, a new challenge often one of them.

[Micklegend]

Originally Posted by GTRMagic

Except one of the first signs of insanity is doing things you have always done and expecting a different result

Drivers switch teams for many reasons, a new challenge often one of them.

A decent reason I suppose GTR, however could also be a case (as far as teams with the intro of the COTF are concerned) that its better the devil you know? Especially when it comes to your engineer, support staff and the front office operations.

Plenty here are critical of FPR and the calls they have made for both cars at this different times, but they are proven to be the only ones to take up the fight to 888. Id suggest SBR arent fools with their engineering, but their lack of speed and setup at times has been surprising. I guess no more surprising to that of HRT this year....so as with most sports, if the front office aint right, the rest of the organisation and performance is a shambles.

Im putting my money on Erebus quoting "this is a rebuidling year" more than once (and Id suggest a few more teams doing the same to excuse poor results under COTF). the only exception being 888.

More of the same is my tip....however I'd love to see some different faces on the podium, as most fans would.

[F J Nedos]

I can't see Frosty leaving ford...

Kind of eliminates SBR.

A real challenge for him would be to play with one of Dick's beasts.

[kittle]

So with this story going around what awaits The Giz in 2014.

SBR ultimately granted his wish, but with a rumored one-year non-compete clause in place, it looks like van Gisbergen chose to sit out of next year’s championship - to hit the proverbial pause button - and wait to see what opportunities exist afterwards.

http://www.foxsports.com.au/motor-sp...#ixzz2DOU22l7I

[glenn_a]

Originally Posted by kittle

So with this story going around what awaits The Giz in 2014.

SBR ultimately granted his wish, but with a rumored one-year non-compete clause in place, it looks like van Gisbergen chose to sit out of next year’s championship - to hit the proverbial pause button - and wait to see what opportunities exist afterwards.

http://www.foxsports.com.au/motor-sp...#ixzz2DOU22l7I

So could one read more into it, Stones don't want The Giz to race for anyone else next year whilst they still have a team. Come 2014 Stones go fishing no more V8 involvement and we don't really care who the Giz races for.

[Mixer]

Originally Posted by glenn_a

So could one read more into it, Stones don't want The Giz to race for anyone else next year whilst they still have a team. Come 2014 Stones go fishing no more V8 involvement and we don't really care who the Giz races for.

If the guy is genuinely burnt out, despite the fact that he has a 3 year contract, how hard do you want to punish him?

I'm in 2 minds, if this is just a ruse to get out of his contract, he's a dog. If not, no harm done to the Stones, and I think they come out of this pretty well.

[glenn_a]

Originally Posted by Mixer

If the guy is genuinely burnt out, despite the fact that he has a 3 year contract, how hard do you want to punish him?

I'm in 2 minds, if this is just a ruse to get out of his contract, he's a dog. If not, no harm done to the Stones, and I think they come out of this pretty well.

Without knowing the real reasons we are all just guessing, but it's interesting that once Ryan Maddison makes himself an office at SBR and relocates there on a permant basis, rumours surfaced about SVG and Holdsworth wanting out. One has turned out to be true. I have to wonder if he was burnt out or didn't like the change that was happening and the direction the ship is now heading.

[glenn_a]

Oops double post

[bluesport]

Originally Posted by glenn_a

Without knowing the real reasons we are all just guessing, but it's interesting that once Ryan Maddison makes himself an office at SBR and relocates there on a permant basis, rumours surfaced about SVG and Holdsworth wanting out. One has turned out to be true. I have to wonder if he was burnt out or didn't like the change that was happening and the direction the ship is now heading.

That sounds like the truth.........the Giz didn't want to work with the new people coming in..........they weren't there when he signed his last contract.