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Good piece of detective work. I just wondered where these Astras ended up. Rally cars, modified saloons, storage or something completely different?
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It really is a dressed up roadcar, complete with sunroof.....
I remember reading in one of the Vauxhall Autosport supplements, that they used the Astra as a testbed for the Cavalier's engine in the pre-season of 1990. |
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So there were 4 DCRS run cars in '89 in the end then? 2 pukka circuit cars and 2 rally cars converted. Would be interesting to know how these cars differed in build and spec to the DTM Kadett's from the same period. |
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I think the Astras ran with 220-230 (group A rally figures), and the early "ST" engines weren't that near to 300. - those figures came much later.
The Astra was only 100kg or so lighter than the Cavalier, might have been less in race trim depending on what the group A weight limit was. |
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From a 1988 DTM preview I have figures for the Opel Kadett GSi 16V telling of 267 bhp to 814 kgs. For the German series the Kadetts were allowed to breathe a little easier and running less weight than their Group A cousins - I have heard similar 220-230 bhp, although the oppositions thought is was more than that, and a minimum FIA Group A weight of 860 kgs for 2.0 litre cars. I wouldn't be surprised if the DTM cars ran wider rims as well, but haven't found any figures for either the DTM or BTCC cars.
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1:- RHD race car, started the season with Cleland- possibly then passed on to Louise Aitken-Walker mid-season 2:- LHD rally car- started the season with Louise Aitken-Walker, still in rally team colours, like this one http://www.flickr.com/photos/howiendlynne/4112751741/ IIRC at first using adapted tarmac rally-spec suspension, including 5-stud hubs and white (OZ or Speedline?) rally wheels. Later fitted with full race-spec suspension etc, then passed on to Jeremy Rossiter once Louise had got a 'proper' race car. From the evidence of this pic http://images.forum-auto.com/mesimag..._800.jpg1..jpg it seems to have been reliveried to match the other two cars by the end of the season. 3:- RHD race car. Debuted mid-season- Either used by Cleland, with LA-W getting his original car, or LA-W getting the new car |
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DTM http://images.forum-auto.com/mesimages/510700/dthe.jpg http://images.forum-auto.com/mesimages/510700/dh.jpg BTCC http://images.forum-auto.com/mesimag..._astra_90b.jpg http://images.forum-auto.com/mesimag..._800.jpg1..jpg A clearer look at the rally-type wheels that appear to have been used on Louise A-W's early season ex-rallycar- apparently made by OZ http://images.forum-auto.com/mesimag...0531143701.jpg |
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From a track test in Autosport at the end of '90 - the Cavaliers had been running around 270bhp that season. Swindon were very hush-hush about the engine spec.
The Prodrive M3s, as comparison, were putting out 265bhp, and suffered more from the 8500rpm rev limit. I haven't read all of the article yet, but if anyone wants a copy then PM me with email address and I'll scan and email it. |
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Concerning the Kadett, you can find some figures here for the 1989 version:
http://www.dlg.speedfreaks.org/archi...autos/4069.php More Opel here: http://www.dlg.speedfreaks.org/archi.../opel/opel.php I had one myself (not a DTM version obviously): nice car in a straight line (over 220 kph) but little else... |
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I apologise for my laziness, I am keen to help out and plug in any gaps. I don't have much time to go through the whole thread, but could anyone point out which race results that need completing or filling in?
I got 1986-1990 Motoring News newspapers and I got it with me now. Thank you. |
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Missing from the 1989 results:
R01 1989.03.24 Oulton Park Fastest lap times, except for fastest in class + elapsed times for lapped drivers. Doubts as to weather Laurence Bristow and Nettan Lindgren was running at the finish, both supposed to have completed 17 laps. R04 1989.05.07 Donington Park John Morris/Barrie Williams quoted for the same 1:21.16 time for both qualifying and fastest race lap - is that correct? R07 1989.07.16 Silverstone Grid positions and times beyond 14th missing. Fastest lap missing for the same drivers for which grid positions are missing. Laps and elapsed times missing from 17th and down. R08 1989.07.23 Brands Hatch Overall race position, laps, grid and fastest laps missing for: John Clark Alan Minshaw Geoff Kimber-Smith Tony Crudgington Ian Forrest (DNS in re-start) Godfrey Hall (DNS in re-start) Dave Brodie (DNS) It's possible there were other drivers present so far not spotted. R09 1989.08.06 Snetterton Positions beyond 19th overall missing. Qualifying and fastest lap times missing for these drivers as well. At least three unknown RS500s started from positions 11, 12 and 18! R10 1989.08.20 Brands Hatch Positions beyond 16th overall missing. Qualifying and fastest lap times missing for these drivers as well. R11 1989.08.28 Birmingham Fastest race lap missing for: Louise Aitken-Walker Jeremy Rossiter John Morris Les Liddiard Mike Newman John Clark Nettan Lindgren Tony Crudgington R12 1989.09.17 Donington Park Positions beyond 15th missing. So does grid positions, qualifying times and fastest laps for the same drivers. R13 1989.10.08 Silverstone Positions beyond 15th missing. Otherwise the same ? as for the previous round. The Silverstone GP support race is the dividing race in terms of reasonable complete results. Jesper |
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Continuing the task of pulling the entry lists together. I;ve included the Donington 2nd drivers, but will leave out which races the various one-offs appeared at...
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Just picking this up after a very long break- finally found a pic of Tony Lanfranchi's Monrep prodsaloon Astra doing occasional BTCC duty to keep the Class C numbers up so Cleland could score full points for the class win...
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Great to see them Richard- you've caught some of the cars that are usually fairly difficult to find pics of online- the Lanfranchi Astra, Robin Donovan RS500 and Mike Jordan's Peugeot were particularly nice to find!
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#56, Cleland/Flux with RHD race car http://www.flickr.com/photos/richard...57627283400681 #58, Aitken-Walker/Woodman with the LHD converted rallycar- note the different paintscheme and rally-style wheels http://www.flickr.com/photos/richard...57627283400681 Late-season, after Louise got a 'proper' race car, the LHD car went to Jeremy Rossiter- by now signwritten to match the other two cars (plus Jeremy's additional 'Spax' sponsorship) and on 'race'-style (BBS?) wheels http://i56.tinypic.com/11kcfae.jpg Last edited by KA; 13 Aug 2011 at 18:27. |
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Something else interesting to notice in Richard's pics- the changes in sponsors on some cars over the season:
John Llewellyn's M3 at Donington, backed by Johnston's and IMF Finance, http://www.flickr.com/photos/richard...57627283400681 and at Brands, by Colchester BMW dealer 'Neep' http://www.flickr.com/photos/richard...57627283400681 |
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