LM24 Official 2010 Le Mans entrant list - Page 4

KA · 5 Feb 2010, 08:41 (Ref:2627090)

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Originally Posted by TheNewBob

I notice Dailysportscar's interpretation of the entry list has JLOC using a new Murcielago R-SV. Assuming this is accurate, I don't think we'll see a repeat of '09.

Let's hope so, beaing in mind that they put in the effort in the AsLMS races at the end of the season to do the job properly and qualify on merit. If they now go and pull a repeat of last year's stunt, then I hope the ACO tell them they're no longer welcome at any ACO rules race, anywhere....

Le Vieux · 5 Feb 2010, 09:02 (Ref:2627097)

[QUOTE=arakis;2626990]I still don't understand why do team owners have to drive at Le Mans, seriosly wouldnt it mean more to them for their car to win the dam thing! This way every one loses, it was painfull to watch Bergmaister and Overbeek give it everything just to see Naiman drop 10 sec a lap every lap.

If you owned a team, would you turn down the opportunity to drive?

Carse · 5 Feb 2010, 09:53 (Ref:2627120)

No AER/Mazda 2ltr T motors at all? Always quite liked them in a weird way, not massively exotic but always sounded nice and mechanical and like they were working hard. Was good seeing the glowing manifold through the back of the KSM car when it was going through Arnage.

Is the HPD engine a bespoke Honda product or is it co-developed with someone?

CTD · 5 Feb 2010, 10:16 (Ref:2627133)

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Originally Posted by Carse

No AER/Mazda 2ltr T motors at all? Always quite liked them in a weird way, not massively exotic but always sounded nice and mechanical and like they were working hard. Was good seeing the glowing manifold through the back of the KSM car when it was going through Arnage.

Is the HPD engine a bespoke Honda product or is it co-developed with someone?

The HPD is a rebadged (or original badged) Acura engine.

Carse · 5 Feb 2010, 10:28 (Ref:2627139)

So it is a Honda/Acura in house design then? What I mean is it isn't a re-badged AER or MZR-R? Will it have direct injection? Do the Honda/Acura V8s even have direct injection?

Sorry for all the questions.

Carse

CTD · 5 Feb 2010, 11:02 (Ref:2627153)

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Originally Posted by Carse

So it is a Honda/Acura in house design then? What I mean is it isn't a re-badged AER or MZR-R? Will it have direct injection? Do the Honda/Acura V8s even have direct injection?

Sorry for all the questions.

Carse

The engine is build and designed by HPD for Acura to race in their LMP racers.
But there is no sense in driving a Acura car in europe as the Acura badge isn't sold here. Therefore it's raced as a Honda/HPD.

From Wikipedia:

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As for the engine, Honda Performance Development created a new 3.4 liter V8, the maximum size allowed by the rules, the first V8 ever branded as an Acura as well as the first motor built entirely in the United States by Honda. Elements of the Acura V8, dubbed the AL7R, share similar architecture with the Honda engine used in the Indy Racing League although none of the parts are interchangeable.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acura_ARX-01
Mike's site has some info on it too
http://www.mulsannescorner.com/AcuraARX-01.html

Carse · 5 Feb 2010, 11:23 (Ref:2627161)

I realised about the Acura brand being unrecognised over here and therefore racing under the Honda banner. I know about the car and its development from an an LC75 and the V8 in that, it was the 2ltr T HPD engine in the RML Lola Coupe I was wondering about - I suppose I've had my question answered in CTD's post though and just didn't read it properly. Thanks for the help and info.

Carse

Dani Filth · 5 Feb 2010, 11:27 (Ref:2627167)

RML will have the sme V8

Carse · 5 Feb 2010, 11:52 (Ref:2627180)

Cool. Mistake on the entry list then?

CTD · 5 Feb 2010, 11:54 (Ref:2627181)

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Originally Posted by Carse

Cool. Mistake on the entry list then?

Yes

arakis · 5 Feb 2010, 12:50 (Ref:2627229)

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Originally Posted by Le Vieux

If you owned a team, would you turn down the opportunity to drive?

Depends on how many cars I would have an entry to Le Mans, If I had two entries like Risi, sure I would sell one to Gentlemen drivers, or would enter my self, also if my team was not top notch I would also drive just for the fun of it,
But if I had a top notch team that would actuali be capable of winning, like the Lizards, Imsa, Felbayer,---and I had only one entry, I would buy the best drivers for my car and hope to win and bring home a trophy, and have my team go down in the history books

hoppelemine · 5 Feb 2010, 14:17 (Ref:2627275)

So there were 84 entries for the 55 places plus 10 reserves. Does anyone have any ideas who some of the 19 teams/cars that didn't make it on to the entry list are?

I suspect Noel Del Bello is one of them?

airbusA346 · 5 Feb 2010, 14:26 (Ref:2627283)

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Originally Posted by hoppelemine

So there were 84 entries for the 55 places plus 10 reserves. Does anyone have any ideas who some of the 19 teams/cars that didn't make it on to the entry list are?

I suspect Noel Del Bello is one of them?

JWA Racing with their Vantage GT2 as far as I am aware were one of the teams not to get an entry.

Tom.

Tom908V12 · 5 Feb 2010, 15:53 (Ref:2627314)

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Originally Posted by prototype

My thoughts:
...
LMP2:
1. This class is not the same without the Porsche Spyder.
2. I am very interested to see the Hondas on the straights of the Mulsanne.
3. Great balance between Judd, Honda and Zytek.
Winner: RML
...

Well, not sure RML to be the winner here...

Will the Acura engine really get on well with the Lola coupé chassis/aerodynamics without problem

To me a "real" Acura to be the real favourite, especially the Highcroft with Brabham and Pagenaud

hoppelemine · 5 Feb 2010, 16:07 (Ref:2627319)

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Originally Posted by Tom908V12

Well, not sure RML to be the winner here...

Will the Acura engine really get on well with the Lola coupé chassis/aerodynamics without problem

To me a "real" Acura to be the real favourite, especially the Highcroft with Brabham and Pagenaud

How well will the "real" Acura chassis/aerodynamics get on with the long fast Le Mans circuit without any problems? RML have more experience and data at the circuit (and Pagenaud may be in a Peugeot?). I'd move my money away from HPD/Acura altogether, maybe to Quifel Ginetta/Zytek?

HORNDAWG · 5 Feb 2010, 16:31 (Ref:2627336)

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Originally Posted by Tom908V12

Well, not sure RML to be the winner here...

Will the Acura engine really get on well with the Lola coupé chassis/aerodynamics without problem

To me a "real" Acura to be the real favourite, especially the Highcroft with Brabham and Pagenaud

I really do not suspect there to be any major difference in the engine cover (etc..) between the Acura engine and the Judd DB engine on the Lola coupe. So what is the dust-up?
Also the Acura engine should be just fine! I expect it will have logged many simulated runs of La Sarte on the dyno by the time it arrives there!

But I to look for the ARX-01c HPDs with Le Mans packages to be favoured also.

L.P.

hoppelemine · 5 Feb 2010, 16:35 (Ref:2627339)

Which 'dust-up' would that be?

**joeb** · 5 Feb 2010, 17:45 (Ref:2627378)

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Originally Posted by Tom908V12

Well, not sure RML to be the winner here...

Will the Acura engine really get on well with the Lola coupé chassis/aerodynamics without problem

To me a "real" Acura to be the real favourite, especially the Highcroft with Brabham and Pagenaud

That Lola/Acura combo is really exciting to me. We know the engine works (for 12 hours at least) and the Lola chassis has proven itself the last few years. Could be a force throughout the season, not just at LeMans

**Aysedasi** · 5 Feb 2010, 18:01 (Ref:2627385)

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Originally Posted by hoppelemine

I will make a very bold prediction and say the JLOC will not only make the race they will make it to the end and see the chequred flag.

In all seriousness, I do hope you're right. The ACO and we as paying spectators deserve it of them.

**Aysedasi** · 5 Feb 2010, 18:05 (Ref:2627387)

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Originally Posted by Carse

Sorry for all the questions.

Never be sorry for asking questions here - it's the informed debate and the fact that members always seem to have the answer to virtually any question that has always made this forum special for me......

prototype · 5 Feb 2010, 18:26 (Ref:2627395)

Tom,

The Acura (Honda) has been put into a Lola before. Fernandez Racing ran the Acura in a Lola B05/40. I belieive the Honda will fit into RML's Lola B08/86 in very much the same way.

I like the Coupe of RML on the straight of Le Mans better than open top (typically higher downforce) Highcroft car. Plus this being Highcroft's first visit to Le Mans, I think there is the possibility of a few issues (there always are in a 24 hour race).

As much as I love the Zyteks in P2, they seem to never have strong results at Le Mans at the end of 24 hours. The one exception being Binnie in 2007. That car won, but was limping around in the end in 16th place. The GT2 (IMSA) winner beat it.

RML is due for a good result too!

hoppelemine · 5 Feb 2010, 18:55 (Ref:2627419)

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Originally Posted by prototype

Tom,

The Acura (Honda) has been put into a Lola before. Fernandez Racing ran the Acura in a Lola B05/40. I belieive the Honda will fit into RML's Lola B08/86 in very much the same way.

Well remebered! I'd forgetten that the Lola Chassis was one of the development chassis for the Acura LMP2 car. The other was a Courage which they eventually used and modified enough to homologate as an Acura in its own right.

dxk1 · 5 Feb 2010, 22:04 (Ref:2627564)

It seems to me that the talk was that all GT1s this year would run by the FIAGT rules. If that is the case, it will be interesting to see how lap times compare to GT2. Wouldn't be surprised to see GT2 Vettes beat GT1 versions.

DK

HORNDAWG · 5 Feb 2010, 22:11 (Ref:2627569)

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Originally Posted by dxk1

It seems to me that the talk was that all GT1s this year would run by the FIAGT rules.
DK

Yes they will.

L.P.

CTD · 5 Feb 2010, 22:22 (Ref:2627583)

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Originally Posted by dxk1

It seems to me that the talk was that all GT1s this year would run by the FIAGT rules. If that is the case, it will be interesting to see how lap times compare to GT2. Wouldn't be surprised to see GT2 Vettes beat GT1 versions.

DK

Im not so sure...
At Silverstone last year the LMS GT2 cars drove 1:48 in qualifying, where the FIA Gt1 Corvette drove 1:42 in qualifying!

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