WTCC Race 7 & 8 - Pau (FRA), 17th May 2009 - Page 4

Hazard · 17 May 2009, 14:05 (Ref:2463963)

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Originally Posted by Andy77

I still wonder what for Jörg Müllers drive through was
Do I see it right or is this a political wave through by the SEAT boys?

For pitting under the red flag. He was always going to get it. Still, it was his only option.

Andy77 · 17 May 2009, 14:06 (Ref:2463966)

ahh ok ! I thought he made it to pits before red came out

Andy77 · 17 May 2009, 14:13 (Ref:2463973)

Poulsen can say thanks to LArini !!!
Chevy safety car launched to secure Chevy win

Hazard · 17 May 2009, 14:15 (Ref:2463974)

I knew that was going to happen (Cayrolle, Larini).

He still gets 8th though unless penalised. Odd one.

Red flag again, race finished - no more restarts. That's it. Another Chevrolet win.

SEAT scrape some points for Tarquini and Muller.

Farfus closes up for the title lead massively.

Hazard · 17 May 2009, 14:16 (Ref:2463975)

Safety car crash already on youtube

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xfMkYK5ntU0

steve nielsen · 17 May 2009, 14:23 (Ref:2463982)

one of the most crazy first laps ever:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xfMkYK5ntU0

Matt · 17 May 2009, 14:24 (Ref:2463984)

Just after seeing that lap, these races seem like they're going to be quite exciting!

Shame for Engslter though, would have been nice to see him win!

Also, the driver of the SC pulled out WAY too early, should have followed the pit exit blend line until T1.

Dead-Eye · 17 May 2009, 14:26 (Ref:2463987)

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Originally Posted by Hazard

Safety car crash already on youtube

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xfMkYK5ntU0

Brilliant irony: The moment before the crash the commentator says that the safety car coming out is a pity for Engstler

THIM · 17 May 2009, 14:31 (Ref:2463992)

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Originally Posted by Hazard

Incredible. Engstler has taken out the SC!

Race red flagged.

Porteiro takes out Hernandez AGAIN!
Jorg's out too.

It's not even wet!

I wouldn't blame Porteiro - he was squeezed to the wall by Hernandez, got on the kerb and that's why couldn't brake enough. That's racing incident...

BootsOntheSide · 17 May 2009, 14:38 (Ref:2463996)

Unbelievably amateurish deployment of the safety car. It swerved across the track so late, on a street course with a bend immediately after the start-finish line, with no hope for Engstler to avoid it. The organisers frankly owe Engstler a brand new car as a gesture of apology. If the official employees can't follow their own rules on safety car deployment, what hope does the series have? Inexcusable.

Hazard · 17 May 2009, 14:42 (Ref:2463998)

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Originally Posted by BootsOntheSide

Unbelievably amateurish deployment of the safety car. It swerved across the track so late, on a street course with a bend immediately after the start-finish line, with no hope for Engstler to avoid it. The organisers frankly owe Engstler a brand new car as a gesture of apology. If the official employees can't follow their own rules on safety car deployment, what hope does the series have? Inexcusable.

If the SC had just floored it and joined the track like any other car would have done - there wouldn't have been an issue.

No car should join the track by simply driving across it. That SC driver should be given new duties.

Dead-Eye · 17 May 2009, 14:52 (Ref:2464000)

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Originally Posted by Hazard

That SC driver should be given new duties.

That's part of the problem - I think WTCC doesn't have a permanent SC driver...seems like they should have one.

Hazard · 17 May 2009, 15:05 (Ref:2464004)

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Originally Posted by Dead-Eye

That's part of the problem - I think WTCC doesn't have a permanent SC driver...seems like they should have one.

Do you think it's given out as a pay for drive...

"Fancy yourself at the head of the action - drive the safety car at this weekend's WTCC race at Pau, for just €1,000 - just bring your driving licence"

P.S. Post 5,000!

Matt_Ring · 17 May 2009, 15:14 (Ref:2464005)

The line he crossed should not be crossed by racing cars so therefore he shouldn't...especially at the speed he was.

It was a fundamental fvck up of epic proportions....but looked good on TV!

MikeD · 17 May 2009, 15:22 (Ref:2464006)

A really stupid and unforgiving accident from the driver in the safetycar. I hope the organisers of the race at Pau will pay the bill for the repair of that Engstler BMW. Stupid, stupid, stupid.

I have seen one safety-car accident before. It was a MotoGP race (I think at Jerez) some 4-5 years ago when the safetycar-driver lost the car driving straight into a concrete wall. (it was dry, not even raining).

And the WTCC organiser really should change the point-system for race two, so that it doesn't give as many points as race 1. The solution used in GP2 is a lot better.

Jon411 · 17 May 2009, 15:48 (Ref:2464015)

I'm gutted for Engstler - I was really hoping to see an Independent win th eoverall racer. I can't beleive that a safety car driver was stupid enough to do anything like that - especially on a street circuit with the pit lane joining the track so soon after a fast blind corner like that.

Knowing what the FIA are like, it wouldn't surprise me if they make Engstler pay for repairing the safety car as well as his own.

I'd also like them to follow the BTCC and randomise the race 2 grid - as I don't like this tactical driving with people slowing down to drop to 8th so they get pole for race 2.

**FIRE** · 17 May 2009, 15:55 (Ref:2464017)

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Originally Posted by Dead-Eye

New rule, please: Visibly slowing down to get 8th place = starting from last place in race 2.

Agree. This tactic from Chevy really starts to annoy me.

What a WTCC weekend.

terence · 17 May 2009, 16:21 (Ref:2464034)

I certainly do not think the SC driver should have driven/wandered across the track in the manor he did,especially as the corner before his exit is blind.Far more appropriate for him to have kept a tight line to his right ,at least untill he had full rear vision.But then again,he could have had incorrect info concerning the following traffic from Race Control.

Andy77 · 17 May 2009, 16:45 (Ref:2464037)

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Originally Posted by Hazard

.....
P.S. Post 5,000!

Congrats !

THIM · 17 May 2009, 17:05 (Ref:2464045)

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Originally Posted by terence bower

But then again,he could have had incorrect info concerning the following traffic from Race Control.

Yeah, on one of the replays we could see a marshall waving at him to go out. Engstler could also drive a bit slower, the thing is, when the decision about SC was made and whether drivers were informed on time.

steve nielsen · 17 May 2009, 19:51 (Ref:2464108)

It happened in the Dutch Supercar challenge once at Spa:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sHf3qgmvMNc

helterskelter · 17 May 2009, 20:21 (Ref:2464129)

Did anybody mention that the SC driver should have stayed within the pit exit continuous line before getting into the track. Who drove it, Mickey Mouse????

**FIRE** · 17 May 2009, 20:42 (Ref:2464140)

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Originally Posted by helterskelter

Did anybody mention that the SC driver should have stayed within the pit exit continuous line before getting into the track. Who drove it, Mickey Mouse????

Maybe he had not attended the driving meeting?

Andy77 · 17 May 2009, 20:58 (Ref:2464146)

Alex Wurz had an accident with the safety car during a f3 race at the AVUS back in 1993 (?)

werner · 17 May 2009, 21:13 (Ref:2464154)

Offcourse the safetycardriver did a silly thing, but should Engstler not have slowed down more? He was showed woven yellow flags into a blind corner. Being shown waving yellows means that you should be ready to change your line, and that is impossible at 150 km/h.
What if the safetycar was deployed for an accident after the first corner?

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