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What is the chassis number of the car in the Stavelot Museum? This is the 1980 car?
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Peter's question is a good one, they might know? Other specific ones would be: How many different Capris did those guys buy/race? and do they have any info on the specific chassis? Do they know in which years they bought them? Do they know whom they sold them onto and when? Maybe you could put those questions to them and while you're on invite them to join the forum!!! Another thought!! Alex any chance you could ask them if they still might be in contact with any of the following: Dave Cook, (been trying to get him to register on here through various sources unsuccessfully) Alain Peltier, Bernard De Dryver, Alain Semoulin, These 3 all pedalled Belgian Capris that were likely from the same souce; I.E CC Developments.... Last edited by chunterer; 10 Sep 2008 at 10:55. |
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Something cropped up in the Toyota Corolla thread posted by new member Eircamae86.
Amongst a few images of Group A Corollas is a couple of Macau Guia Group A pics. One of them which shows Volvo's leading Starions away from the start in 1985 contains a couple of Mk 3 Capris. One is obscured behind a Corolla One is clearly read and has a 3 word windscreen sun visor. The Gordon Spice Racing cars had the GSR logo displayed on the screens like this so i'm wondering if it's an ex Gordon Spice car that found it's way over there? Altough it's probably just a local guy with an old production saloon that's got an entry!! How we can find out more about the cars that entered this race and where they came from is anyone's guess though judging by how difficult it has been to develop this thread!! Here the post with the images - the Macau one are about half way down: http://tentenths.com/forum/showpost....&postcount=125 Here's the one where I ask the question above: http://tentenths.com/forum/showpost....&postcount=132 I also want to return to something Jepser said in his highlt informative post back last year on the previous page. Peter Elgaard purchased a Group 1 Capri in 1982/3 after a test run at Zandvoort where the then current owner of the car drove him around the circuit with Peter hanging onto the roll cage!! (Amusing!!) Jesper mentions that the livery of that car was white over red. I'm wondering if this might have been a Belga car from Gordon Spice or the Martin Brothers? That famous livery was white over red mainly (see Peter Mallett's classic saloon example!) and Zandvoort would have been seen as a convenient meeting place for anyone coming from Belgium (or even UK) to sell a car to someone coming from Denmark. If only we could see some piccies of the car after Elgaard bought it. Last edited by chunterer; 6 Jan 2009 at 13:20. |
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Hi - brand new on 10/10ths today. I knew Peter Clark well. To answer a question earlier on, he went into flying after selling CC Automotive Developpments to Jim Tucker - 1960's and 1970's Morgan +4 racer and aeroplane designer. They co-owned the resulting company, and "Firefly Aerial Promotions" Pete was flying a Tucker designed Slingsby T-67 "Firefly" at Shuttleworth in 1996 when he crashed and died.
Peter raced in Minis and Porsches, and also with Dorset Racing at Le Mans etc. When he died, there was still BRDC stickers up in the unit in Kirkbymoorside. The last man at Autotek - as CC was renamed, who was around in the Capri days was one Mike Bilby. Last heard of with Specialist Cars of Malton. Pete shared a European touring Car Championship M3 BMW with Corner, Father and son, and helped son earn his BRDC membership. That was in AROUND 1989/90...... Autotek prepared my "Hot Hatch" XR2 in 1993 - Pete putting hands on it, and testing it, so it was PROBABLY the last Ford prepared by the old CC crew. Jim Tucker died in 2006, sadly, BUT there is lots of old CC paperwork still with his estate. I have, up to now, been concentrating on his 1960's morgan racing, he still had his +4 race car when he died, but will go ferreting now for CC Capri info. IF this thread is still alive? Last edited by Deepy-Driver; 20 Jan 2009 at 19:59. |
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Keep this thread going.. Moved to NZ about 8 yrs ago and desperate for as much info on these CC Capri's. Raced 3 litre capri back in the UK..actually last heard Jim Mcloughan purchased it.. Black and green. I did import John Warrens old 3 litre a few years back and now looking at pictures of CC capri's it had quite a few of the factory parts on it...just hope it wasn't a genuine Car as i recently sold it on... Heaps of Group A bmw's here along with a couple of Cologne Capri's.
Isn't there an ex Gordon Spice Capri for sale in sussex at present ?? |
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A bit of Capri action I found on Flickr yesterday.... Oulton Park, early 1985
The caption says 'Rouse, Sheene and Woodman', but thinking about it, I reckon the ex-CC Capri is Brian Chatfield, who I'm pretty sure was the last person to field a Capri in the BTCC- a few appearances early in 1985 before moving on to a 635 (the ex-BS/Cheylesmore car) I think the Capri might even have had a last BTCC outing as late as the British GP support in '86 but won't swear to that without that season's results in front of me... From memory, wasn't there some trouble over the eligibility of the Chatfield Capri in those first couple of 1985 BTCC rounds? Certainly the fact that he seems to be holding off the Barry Sheene Supra and Rouse's XR4Ti (assuming this is a race and not practice pic!) is surprising.... http://flickr.com/photos/16788879@N0...7611422894664/ |
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Maybe Mike Bilby can give us a hand but if you can find that old CC paperwork, I suspect that might give us a whole lot of further scope for developing the thread, some clues as to the original identities and chassis numbers of he cars before they ended up in club racing in many different hands!! It has been difficult tracing cars 'backwards' if you know what I mean. Quote:
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Well he was running it at Spa last September so sometime around July/August I think.
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It broke the gearbox mounting and I suspected that was gearbox oil. It was fixed for the race as I recall.
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Doesn't the Yates car have a sunroof? The CC cars were all solid roof shells weren't they?
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Yes I think so Peter, the only 'race' Capris i've ever seen with sunroofs were roadsaloons and possibly the odd prodsaloon.
Those handful of road prep'd CC builds (FC sequence) might be a different story though. Just going back a post or two, I mentioned that the car Dave Thomas was running (now selling) is likely to be the ex Spice CC car that Chatfield later owned and raced. I've been racking my brains to remember which round/rounds of the '85 or '86 Trimoco series that Chatfield raced it in. He ran the ex CC Woodman Esso car right at the beginning of 1986, but i'm fairly sure that at one of the mid season Silverstone rounds he ran the red ex Spice car (I think it might even have kept the number 8 entry number that Spice was also entered as in 1982.....) Wonder if there's any evidence in the race reports from the time or any pics on flickr and sites like that because I definitely haven't got any. |
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The Flickr pic earlier shows the white ex-CC car was used at Oulton and I think I've seen a pic somewhere on the web showing the white car at Silverstone As I said, I think there's a bit of a story around the two early '85 season disqualifications... The white Capri was unexpectedly on the pace at Oulton- it qualified and finished 4th overall, and I think even led the race early on...(certainly that pic suggests it might have!) but got DQ'd post-race. I'd have to dig out the Autosport season review to be sure, but I think after the Oulton disqualification, he then turned up at Thruxton with a different Capri (the red ex-Spice car?), but the scrutineers didn't like that one either and DQ'd him during qualifying... The 635 didn't appear again with Chatfield in 1986 but a Capri came out again a few times. Not sure of all of them, but my notes include:
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I wonder if this has anything to do with Chatfield's eligibilty issues at the beginning of 1985 that KA refers to? Or maybe he installed a 3.4 engine and the scrutineers fell over laughing or something!!! A further suggestion regarding the Grp 1 Capri being quicker than the Grp A spec version is that i'm sure I remember seeing in a programme that Gordon Spice set a Thruxton lap record in the '82 Tricentrol series at 1:28s something? I've got a funny feeling that the Group A cars didn't manage to beat that in 1983, but i'm pretty sure they did 1984 though? Rouse or Soper beat that with their Vitesses and got the time down to 1:26s Anyone able to check that out as I might have got that a bit wrong!!! Quote:
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