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I think you've answered your own question here. The competitors are not a problem who are going to kept in their own bubble in the paddock and can be trusted to behave themselves. It is the huge number of spectators that the series attracts who cannot be kept (or some of them trusted to keep) their distance from each other who are then going to be driving home to wherever they have come from, with the possibility of having taken the virus with them to Donington, or with the reverse possibility of taking it back home with them, all done without any tracing where they are from. All team members have had to complete and submit a form to TOCA with their full name, home address, contact email and mobile telephone numbers, and I would expect that any officials & marshals attending will have done something similar. I suspect that this is for a possible track & trace mechanism should any problems be found after the event. This could not be done with all of the random spectators attending as there would be no telling where they were and who they had been standing close to. |
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Existing spectator sport pilots have just been scrapped.
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Google is just the search engine that will provide many different authoritative bodies that can provide an answer to a question. In this case what is an Elite Sport or what is an Elite Athlete. None of it gives any indication, much like your answers as to why an Elite Sport can't have spectators and differentiate from a sport that doesn't qualify as an Elite Sport. Glorious Goodwood is currently on TV, Lord March and his team have gone to great lengths to make spectator areas safe for social distancing, yet they are unable to have any, so I suspect they were also hoping that the decision could be changed. |
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Goodwood was a DCMS approved test event, similar to cricket matched at the Oval & Edgbaston and the World Snooker at the Crucible.
In all cases they had worked with local & national authorities, and had extensive safety procedures in place, combined with a very strictly controlled ticket availability, c10% for the cricket events. There doesn't seem to be any evidence of MSV acting in the same, responsible way. So, while MSV are not the main factor behind these changes, their actions have made significantly contributed. |
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Ultimately does it matter what the exact criteria are for an Elite Sport/Athlete? We could argue the pros and cons for days; that won't change the fact that a judgement has been made and isn't going to change. Can we just except that and move on. |
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Yet the same people who tell us we are wrong, can only spout the same drivel of because it is an Elite Sport and can't give an answer as to why it separates itself from another championship of the exact same sport. Having been to British GT, ELMS, BTCC and WRX as well as club and truck racing meetings over the last few years, I would say BTCC meetings has better control over race spectators in previous seasons anyway, let alone what they were intending to do now. |
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It still doesn't detract from your link to MSUK's statement that all motorsport in the UK which was starting behind closed doors on 4th July and at no point over the weekends since haven't stopped MSV from allowing spectators trackside, or from selling tickets for a sport that has suddenly recieved a classification that prevents it having spectators whilst other similar sports of a lower ranking can have spectators. Perhaps MSUK should have stepped in earlier instead of allowing people and businesse to get their hopes up before pulling the rug from beneath their feet at the last minute. |
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Yet there press release notifying that spectators will not be allowed quite clearly states they have been working with the local authorities covid control to make sure that the facilities are safe for spectators. All ticket sales had to be pre booked, no on gate sales, that means MSV would have contact details for at least one person from each group of tickets sold so track and trace would be easy. Grandstand seating to be divided into family(friend) groups. Then social distancing between those groups and also between rows. Emails sent to people who had already booked grandstand seats to find out if they still intended to go, so new seating plans could be sorted. I have seen people stating that ticket sales for Saturday was close to being sold out, that points to MSV having a set capacity they were going to allow. Confirmation that there would be no trade stands allowed, no access to paddock or pit lane. Actually holding race meetings where social distancing is already practiced, so they already have evidence of what to do and whatever further improvements may be required. Where I work we have strict social distancing measures in place, one way systems, if space allows segregated and clearly marked lanes where people can walk in opposite directions, pretty much the same as local shopping centres. One of my workmates is a Brands Hatch season ticket holder, so he has been to each meeting this month and says the measures are pretty much the same at Brands Hatch as we have at work or at shopping centres. As Brands and Donington are both run by MSV, they are highly likely to be using the same measures. But yes you must be right, there is no evidence that MSV have been making use of the required local authorities to make their facilities safe. |
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Goodwood may have been an intended pilot, but that is an intended pilot for all horse race meetings, not just high profile ones. MSV has been holding race meetings as have other tracks and unless they are told differently, will be doing the same this weekend and so on.
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'The events have been carefully selected to represent a range of sports and indoor and outdoor spectator environments. [...] The pilot events will provide the opportunity to stress-test the Government’s ‘stage five’ guidance, on the return of fans to elite sports events. [...]Further updates to the stage five guidance may be published to reflect the result of the test events before competition with spectators is permitted.' |
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31 Jul 2020, 16:26 (Ref:3991908) | #89 | |
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Will be watching it this weekend. But just our luck, it has to clash with the one GP that is being shown live on FTA! If only it was supporting the GP like the old days
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31 Jul 2020, 16:51 (Ref:3991912) | #90 | |
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2nd BTCC race is schedule to finish a few mins prior to the start of the GP so suitable timed to avoid a clash. Better still you could watch the first corner of the F1 then switch back to the Ginetta Jr race.
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I will have itv4 on the main tv and my son will have F1 on his laptop or his gaming TV at the other end of the room. I will probably have TSL on my laptop. |
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Any meaningful conclusions from first practice?
Top 5 entirely predictable, looking forward to all 5 drivers competing for the title this season BTC right on the pace of those as well Hyundai's in 9th and 12th is a good early showing. Moffat will be disapointed to be so far off Sutton's pace. I'm guessing there must be other factors there The usual suspects at the back |
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Good to see Hyundai up there, a lot of people are tipping them as dark horses
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Aye, still feel the lack of a BTCC F1 support race is a massive lost opportunity, especially as the BTCC doesn’t run on the Silverstone GP circuit. I can understand the contractual problems with ITV covering the other races but I’m sure something could be sorted out. Gow always seemed keen but the teams less so.
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And now we’re not going to run on the South circuit or whatever that configuration of Silverstone is called, so another missed opportunity there
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Interesting speed trap figures from FP1. Sutton is way ahead of anyone else through the Craners.
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FP2 is a BMW 1-2. Here we go again...
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Looks like Andy Neate will be giving Team HARD someone to race at least.
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