BTCC Round Seven, Snetterton 13-14 Aug, Races 19,20&21 - Page 4

redshoes · 14 Aug 2022, 11:49 (Ref:4122756)

WTF was going on with that second safety car. Moffat's car in a dangerous position so bring out the SC - don't have a problem with that. Fail to move the car, oh screw lets just stick a yellow flag out instead.

Either it could have been covered under yellows or it needed to be moved under safety car; you can't have it both ways.

Evantra · 14 Aug 2022, 11:50 (Ref:4122757)

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Perhaps all those paddling pools could be accidentally spilled!

Well, not paddling pools, but we did get an umbrella

porsche962fan · 14 Aug 2022, 11:50 (Ref:4122758)

Turkington 250
Tingram 237
Hill 230
Sutton 228
Cook 204

Hill passed Sutton and Cook may be out of the title fight by the end of day

Evantra · 14 Aug 2022, 11:52 (Ref:4122759)

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WTF was going on with that second safety car. Moffat's car in a dangerous position so bring out the SC - don't have a problem with that. Fail to move the car, oh screw lets just stick a yellow flag out instead.

Either it could have been covered under yellows or it needed to be moved under safety car; you can't have it both ways.

Yep totally agreed... I feel like it's gotten worse since switching to ITV, 'we don't want the new viewers to see safety cars so we'll just use the cars as crash barriers now'.

porsche962fan · 14 Aug 2022, 11:53 (Ref:4122760)

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Yep totally agreed... I feel like it's gotten worse since switching to ITV, 'we don't want the new viewers to see safety cars so we'll just use the cars as crash barriers now'.

follow your own advise

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Fair enough, then don't watch and leave us all to it.

Evantra · 14 Aug 2022, 11:54 (Ref:4122761)

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Hill passed Sutton and Cook may be out of the title fight by the end of day

Doesn't explain the gap to Plato though. Seems like Cook picked up damage in that one, even before the Moffat clash.

pimmy · 14 Aug 2022, 11:56 (Ref:4122762)

I don't know why it takes so long for cars to be recovered in Britain. We need to learn from the Americans here.

porsche962fan · 14 Aug 2022, 11:59 (Ref:4122763)

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I don't know why it takes so long for cars to be recovered in Britain. We need to learn from the Americans here.

more of this are needed

AnnoyedMoose · 14 Aug 2022, 12:02 (Ref:4122764)

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I don't know why it takes so long for cars to be recovered in Britain. We need to learn from the Americans here.

Which American races are you thinking of?

crmalcolm · 14 Aug 2022, 12:28 (Ref:4122765)

The use of SC was consistent.
On both occasions, the SC was deployed when recovery vehicles were entering the active track. Once the recovery vehicle left the circuit, the SC came in.

Evantra · 14 Aug 2022, 12:30 (Ref:4122766)

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The use of SC was consistent.
On both occasions, the SC was deployed when recovery vehicles were entering the active track. Once the recovery vehicle left the circuit, the SC came in.

The second time was without recovering the car.

pimmy · 14 Aug 2022, 12:33 (Ref:4122767)

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Which American races are you thinking of?

NASCAR & Indycar. They get recovery crews on the scene within seconds of the yellow coming out. It takes far longer than that here and it seems that the recovery itself takes longer too (if it happens at all, that is).

crmalcolm · 14 Aug 2022, 12:51 (Ref:4122769)

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The second time was without recovering the car.

Yes. The recovery vehicle deployed reached the stranded vehicle, but it was deemed that a drag recovery was not suitable.

The point being, it was the presence of the recovery vehicle that necessitated a SC.

Now it could be argued that the wrong vehicle was deployed, but I think that is a different argument.

I'd hope that everyone would agree that if a recovery vehicle is deployed, a SC is the right choice.

Heavyd123 · 14 Aug 2022, 13:09 (Ref:4122770)

I see shedden still resorting to punting cars out of the way to overtake…..

Robshillito1990 · 14 Aug 2022, 13:13 (Ref:4122771)

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I see shedden still resorting to punting cars out of the way to overtake…..

When? Collard put himself on the dirt

AnnoyedMoose · 14 Aug 2022, 13:18 (Ref:4122773)

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NASCAR & Indycar. They get recovery crews on the scene within seconds of the yellow coming out. It takes far longer than that here and it seems that the recovery itself takes longer too (if it happens at all, that is).

Pretty sure both those series have full time recovery crews that travel around plus the money in the series is massively higher than BTCC.

Heavyd123 · 14 Aug 2022, 13:19 (Ref:4122774)

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When? Collard put himself on the dirt

His move on Dan Lloyd

redshoes · 14 Aug 2022, 13:40 (Ref:4122776)

Are they not going to leave Shedden's car where it is and just cover with yellow flags?

tux · 14 Aug 2022, 13:42 (Ref:4122778)

I have many questions tbh

thetool · 14 Aug 2022, 13:46 (Ref:4122779)

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I have many questions tbh

You'll get assertively posted answers shortly. Whether they'll be the right answers is an entirely different matter.

Heavyd123 · 14 Aug 2022, 13:55 (Ref:4122781)

What happened to Sutton and cammish at the start?

porsche962fan · 14 Aug 2022, 13:58 (Ref:4122782)

Turkington now joint 2nd in the all time winners with Matt Neal

porsche962fan · 14 Aug 2022, 14:01 (Ref:4122783)

Turkington 272
Tingram 252
Hill 247
Sutton 235
Cook 205

redshoes · 14 Aug 2022, 14:07 (Ref:4122785)

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NASCAR & Indycar. They get recovery crews on the scene within seconds of the yellow coming out. It takes far longer than that here and it seems that the recovery itself takes longer too (if it happens at all, that is).

You are comparing apples and bananas.

US racing don't use corner marshals in the way the rest of the world does. Every car that spins or goes off means a full course yellow and a recovery truck dispatched. In the UK, and most of the rest of the world, the first people to respond are the nearest marshals under a local yellow; the recovery truck is only called if they are unable to deal with the issue.

If you want to compare times then look out how quickly the (UK) marshals are dispatched on foot. Not every incidents needs a FCY and recover truck.

Then of course you need to consider the rest of the FCY procedure in the US - lucky dog wave-around, pit stops, etc. Look at the IMSA race at Road America last weekend - they had a 20 min safety car period after a car got stuck in the gravel which took maybe less than a minute to extract and could have been cover under a local yellow.

I'm not saying that one way is better than the other, just that they are different and you can't compare the two.

Evantra · 14 Aug 2022, 14:08 (Ref:4122786)

Credit to Goodyear, no punctures today.

Their WTCR department looks on with envy!

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