Super GT what do you think?

[AU N EGL]

Originally Posted by EuropaBambaataa

What about having GT1 cars go to Super GT in GT1 spec and getting their asses handed to them? The Prodrive Ferrari 550 owned by Hitotsuyama Racing was never competitive, and Team Goh gave up trying to run the Maserati MC12 in pre-season testing, because it couldn't get to the GT500 pace without extensive modifications.

That is exactly right. The two groups are not compatable.

It would be great if our Japaniees Freinds would step up to FIA / ACO GT1 & GT2 racing.

[Speed-King]

Originally Posted by AU N EGL

It would be great if our Japaniees Freinds would step up to FIA / ACO GT1 & GT2 racing.

Except for the fact that it would be a step down for them.

[AU N EGL]

Originally Posted by Speed-King

Except for the fact that it would be a step down for them.

One step backwards, three steps forward.

The world accpetance would be a better aimed at there vehicals and racing.

[dookie559]

Originally Posted by dj choc ice

the 350Z bangs on the upshift because its backfiring on the upshift's, the engine was used in the rollcentre racing dallara LMP1 in 2005 and it sounded great for a turbo engine and made huge pops and bangs on the downshifts and upshifts.

its the engine backfiring.

The 2007 Super GT GT500 Z has a V8.

[kingkai]

Originally Posted by ss_collins

NASCAR is a spaceframe world.

Super GT - I think that they should be allowed to enter as LMP2's now at Le Mans as long as they run in Super GT spec and are not developed or greatly modified for Le Mans, the you would have Honda, Toyota and Nissan. However for 2010 put them in LMP1.

Thing is, they wouldn't win as the likely wouldn't last. The absolute longest race in Super GT is 1000km the cars are built and designed primarily for 500km races.

Getting reliability for 24h back, they would need to put less strain on the engine/gearbox. Maby would drop them 2/4 seconds into GT1 times (if earodynamics are a bit less advanced like GT500 are now)

[vw_nut]

Originally Posted by EuropaBambaataa

What about having GT1 cars go to Super GT in GT1 spec and getting their asses handed to them? The Prodrive Ferrari 550 owned by Hitotsuyama Racing was never competitive, and Team Goh gave up trying to run the Maserati MC12 in pre-season testing, because it couldn't get to the GT500 pace without extensive modifications.

i maybe being very narrow minded here but were fia gt1 cars air resitied down this could have a huge affet on the performance i have no doubt the gt 500 maybe slightly faster round corners but i thuink at le mans they would be no where in gt1 let alone finish, bloody awesome cars though the ones at good wood where fantastic

[ss_collins]

GT500 cars have restrictors too

[vw_nut]

i suppose but am i right in thinking gt 500 have around 500bhp?

[Speed-King]

Originally Posted by vw_nut

i suppose but am i right in thinking gt 500 have around 500bhp?

with the restrictors on....

[ss_collins]

in thoery - though its probably quite a bit more - none of the manufacturers reveal true figures if any at all.

[vw_nut]

well i was thinking that if they did just have just 500 bhp then a gt1 would walk all over them i recon but mostly likely wrong i would say like before they would fuit in deed gt1 and gt2

[ss_collins]

GT500 are the fastest GT's in the world question is can they last the 24 hours of Le Mans

[AU N EGL]

Originally Posted by vw_nut

well i was thinking that if they did just have just 500 bhp then a gt1 would walk all over them i recon but mostly likely wrong i would say like before they would fuit in deed gt1 and gt2

I agree. If the Supper GTs has only 500 bhp the DBR9s, Corvettes, and the Saleens would walk away from them.

[ss_collins]

I feel I'm banging my head against a wall. GT1's are slower than GT500's by some margin - its a fact! Hell even Dome say as much and they know the performance of both. What more do you need to know! I've seen both classes I've looked under the skin of both and I can tell you that a GT1 has nothing on GT500, even a fully loaded MC12 (ie with big wing) couldn't cut it. The only question left is Le Mans, I'd say GT500's are quite high downforce cars so would need new aero for LM, they would struggle to last 12 hours let alone 24... so at Le Mans - whilst the GT500's would be vastly faster, they would not win.

[ger80]

GT500 are racecars, GT1 are based upon street cars. Comparing GT500 with DTM is ok, but not with GT1. Maybe the 2010 LMP1 cars are a little bit like a GT500 car.

[ss_collins]

Umm no thats not correct at all. GT500 are based on street cars too, just have more modifications. DTM are racecars with no relation to street cars. 2010 LMP's are racecars.

[ger80]

Think there is no black and white for this. Yes, you can say "more modifications" but finally the link to the roadcar is very small

[JAG]

Originally Posted by AU N EGL

I agree. If the Supper GTs has only 500 bhp the DBR9s, Corvettes, and the Saleens would walk away from them.

If they were close to production cars, yes, but they are essentially high downforce prototypes.

If you look at the WRC, those cars are meant to have 300bhp with restrictors, but development has raised that closer to 350bhp.

I wouldn't be suprised if GT500's had over 550bhp.

One of the reasons for Super GT's design freedoms is to allow mid range Japanease sportscars like Supra's and 350Z's to compete with European supercars.

These days GT500's are so sophisticated GT1's have no chance to compete, which IMO is to the detriment of the series.

[dj choc ice]

Originally Posted by ger80

Think there is no black and white for this. Yes, you can say "more modifications" but finally the link to the roadcar is very small

my knowledge of superGT is small but i agree with you as far as my knowledge extends, the only thing that bear's resemblence to the road car on the super GT500 car's is the basic shape, light's and erm thats it.

but regardless of the proto link or not, the super GT car's make an astonishing set of race car's and so much so i really wish the superGT would come over to the UK for a few race's, the superGT car's would be fabulous round donington and silverstone GP.

[Bob Riebe]

Originally Posted by JAG

If they were close to production cars, yes, but they are essentially high downforce prototypes.

If you look at the WRC, those cars are meant to have 300bhp with restrictors, but development has raised that closer to 350bhp.

I wouldn't be suprised if GT500's had over 550bhp.

One of the reasons for Super GT's design freedoms is to allow mid range Japanease sportscars like Supra's and 350Z's to compete with European supercars.

These days GT500's are so sophisticated GT1's have no chance to compete, which IMO is to the detriment of the series.

If the suspension is not related to the street car, it is no longer mod. Prod.
The early T-A tube frame cars had a good deal of prod. greenhouse but they were considered full blown tube frame cars.
Bob

[ss_collins]

By the way heres a snippet I was reminded of at the weekend.

The Corvette C6R has a different chassis to the road car, the Takata Dome NSX at least shares its basic shell with the road car.

[geeteeone]

Originally Posted by ss_collins

The Corvette C6R has a different chassis to the road car, the Takata Dome NSX at least shares its basic shell with the road car.

Wasn't the C6R given special dispensation by the ACO to use a chassis that differed from the homologated road car? I beleive the other cars in the class are still required to use the same basic chassis.

[pitviper]

big shocker there... ^^^^

[pitviper]

Super GT offers the best of both worlds... it's a beautiful mix of what I love about both GT racing and Prototype racing. I personally would give just about anything to see a Viper, Ferrari, Aston Martin, or Porsche built to GT500 rules. I certainly hope that what we end up with in the new prototype regulations is akin to what we see in Super GT...

Sam, shall i get you an ice pack? ;-)

pit

[Asa]

Isn't the ACO moving towards Coupes from the current LMP1 regulations? I think that will allow GT500 cars to become Le Mans legal much more easily.